BOARD OF PUBLIC UTILITIES - REGULAR MEETING DECEMBER 10, 2025 - 5:30 P.M. LOS ALAMOS COUNTY, NM MUNICIPAL BUILDING 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:20.000 Good evening. I will call to order this December 10th, 2025. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:28.000 Regular meeting of the Board of Public Utilities. Thanks, everyone, for… Joining us this evening. 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:37.000 Um, we have one voting board member absent. Nakley, and… Evner will have to leave early this evening. 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:42.000 discuss in a minute when we juggle the agenda to accommodate that for you. 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:47.000 We, uh, our first… Our business is public client. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:53.000 Is there any policy comment? Chamber in the room. 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:58.000 see any? Do you have any public comment online? 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:02.000 Alright. No public comment. 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:09.000 approval of the agenda. Um, because Matt has to leave. 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:24.000 I propose that we put two substantive items. That require… Um, votes… Up to, basically, next on the agenda. That would be item 7B. 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:30.000 discussion and possible action on Green Los Alamos certification program businesses. 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:35.000 And item 7C. visual modification 25 to extend. 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:42.000 the ECA contract. Yes, although we'd have a quorum if Matt left. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:48.000 I prefer to have as many voting members here for a vote as we can. 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:55.000 So, uh, also… Know that there'll be some… a little bit of adjustment. 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:02.000 Set a gender vote, right? 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:11.000 No, does that sound reasonable? Do I have a motion to approve the agenda as amended? 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:16.000 that have amended. Second. Okay, good discussion. 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:23.000 All in favor? We can pass this 4 to 0. 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.000 That takes us to the consent agenda. Uh, the only thing that's on it. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:37.000 It's approval of minutes. Uh, however, the… We're a couple of very minor changes. 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:41.000 to the minutes of the meeting of the 19th. 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:48.000 Of November. So, um… A lot of people here. 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:56.000 Um… Otherwise, I would suggest instead of using the consent motion. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:00.000 I'll just go ahead, and if nobody has any problem, I'll just make the motion. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:06.000 I move that the Board of Public Utilities approve the minutes for the November 5th meeting. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:12.000 as presented in the November 19th meeting as amended. 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:20.000 Amendments are the ones that you have here. 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:28.000 Uh, don't need that, because we're actually… Your motion that was in the staff report is this one, and I just made this one instead of the consent motion. 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:36.000 Okay, uh, again, for one secular. Okay. Uh, any discussion? 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:43.000 All in favor? Posed. Motion passes 4-0. 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:52.000 With that, we will move to item 7B. Which is discussion and possible action. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:04:02.000 On green Los Alamos. certification program for businesses. 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:13.000 To get myself organized here. 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:25.000 We, you know… all the page numbers in here, it just takes a minute. 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:31.000 All right, so Item 7B. No. 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:37.000 Green Los Alamos certification program. Uh, Abby… where's Abby? 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:47.000 Awesome. Is in Helica online? So, she's planning on the lead tonight. 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:58.000 I'm into the room now. Yeah, she was… Maybe true of Abby Anne goes. 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:08.000 She was drinking, and I was like, no. But if Analika was supposed to be online, she's not hearing it. 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:15.000 She just texted me, let me see. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:20.000 Yeah, but she was gonna… she's, uh, leading an EV presentation, which would be now. 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:27.000 So, anyway… She needs to be promoted. 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:34.000 When you go in under public comp… I have children with me. Not a problem. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:42.000 I'll look for you. Oh, what a treat! 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:47.000 Well, it comes first. Special guest tonight. 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:55.000 Take your time. Uh, I have the conservation update first for Green Los Alamos update. 00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:02.000 I'm signed in. We're gonna do the… green program first. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:12.000 Then we're gonna do the ECA extension, and then we're gonna go back and do the rest of the agenda in the order that it was published. Okay, thank you. Take your time getting going here. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:16.000 Just want to make sure I have my notes up. Yes? 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:25.000 Yes, I know. 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:33.000 Snacks. So you guys want hot pizza? 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:42.000 But it's not… Oh, good, you can put up. 00:06:42.000 --> 00:07:03.000 Angelica on now? She is, we're trying to promote her to a… On the list… 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:11.000 Are you ready? Yeah, I can start. Angelica's just there for questions. She's not gonna help with the presentation. 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:23.000 All right, all right. So, Green Los Alamos recognizes our commercial community's commitment to stewardship and supports their ongoing improvement efforts. 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:35.000 These efforts have helped to foster a healthy, vibrant community and strengthen our shared goal of lasting positive change for everyone. The program is a collaboration between the Department of Public Utilities, the Sustainability Office with Angelica. 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:42.000 Community Development Department with Anita and Ellen in the Los Alamos Chamber and Development Corporation. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.000 Which is the public side of the business umbrella of the chamber falls under, for example. 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:52.000 You're not familiar with them. Next slide. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:59.000 Uh, the Green Los Alamos program will allow business owners and other types of organizations, so it could be a non-profit, it could be whoever. 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:03.000 would qualify under this program, really. Anybody who has a. 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:11.000 building of sorts. Um, the opportunity to complete a simple self-certification form via that's online. 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:18.000 Um, and to be recognized at three tiers. There you'll see bronze tier is 15 completions, silver tier is 25 completions, and gold seal. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:26.000 is 35 completions verified with the site visit. Uh, we've determined it's easiest to make this a self-certification process, um, to best approach. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:37.000 Approach interested businesses within the community, and to minimize the impact to their business lives. We know they're very busy, they want that recognition, but they don't want to be setting up additional appointments, they don't want to be going out of their way to do this. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:43.000 Um, we can open the form at the end for an in-depth look if you're interested, but I also included it in the agenda packet. 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:50.000 I'm sure I know. Uh, this is a free program designed to help businesses improve inefficiency and reduce waste. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:09:02.000 Um, trackable metrics could include streamlining operations. Reducing a utility expense or better meeting the needs of employees and customers. Both, um, a lot of the items are, for example, you'll see under transportation. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:32.000 It's, do we offer bicycle parking for employees? Do we offer bicycle parking for customers? So it depends on the type of business, right? Not all of them are. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:12.000 who's building walkthroughs, so if a… a building owner, let's say, or a tenant even wants to walk through with their landlord and say, what could I do to this space, or could you help me? 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:20.000 Um, we do have a volunteer who is set up through the county, he's a retired laby who did this kind of work, so he knows what he's talking about. 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:25.000 Um, he's offered to volunteer his time to help people do those kind of building assessments. 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:34.000 Um, we can also provide any review of utility usage. You know, some of them don't see their bills, so what does their utility consumption email look like? 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:37.000 Um, if they're kind of part of a shared unit. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.000 Um, we could also provide supporting reference materials, uh. 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:48.000 Within that form, you'll see multiple spots that say, I'm interested in a topic, so we'll provide resources on those topics. 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:54.000 And then also any additional funding sources. Um, in other communities with similar programs. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:58.000 Other incentives could include… we haven't explored this yet, because again, we want to get it off the ground. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.000 And then some of them are tricky because we're anti-donation. 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:12.000 Um, so we could include maybe a discount on a building permit, or a business license, or a discount with a chamber membership. You know, these are things that are a little bit outside of our initial scope for this program, but. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:17.000 Those are incentives that other communities do include. Okay, next slide. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:24.000 From the county perspective, this supports county council strategic goals and objectives, it supports BPU strategic goals and objectives. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:33.000 Um, it helps to satisfy multiple items within the Climate Action Plan, specifically CC1.1, which is to develop a sustainable business certification. 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:39.000 Um, it also aligns, um, with… across the spectrum of building partnerships. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:49.000 Um, and de-siloing our departments here. Um, it meets the needs of several departments. The community development wants to enhance communication and outreach to small businesses. 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:58.000 Um, they have a new… ordinance for outdoor lighting that this could help achieve, it's to make it more dark sky friendly. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.000 Um, and they have 10 years to achieve it, so it's a stepping stone for their education platform for that. 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:09.000 Uh, the Sustainability Office obviously has multiple goals in achieving everything in the Climate Action Plan. 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:14.000 Um, and in my own work that I'll touch on later, we haven't done a lot for commercial businesses. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:22.000 It's a lot heavily focused on residential, but we still have a commercial customer base. Right. So it's, uh… Important to focus on that, too. 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:32.000 All of this falls within existing staffing description and utilizes existing tools, so we're not looking for any money, we're not looking for any weird tools to satisfy this. 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:39.000 It's all within existing scope of works for all of us. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:49.000 From the community side, um, like I said. We've pulled in the LACDC. Originally, we talked with the Chamber of Commerce, they're very supportive of this initiative. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:57.000 But as I started learning that whole organization over there, LACDC is overchamber, so we want to make sure that we're not picking and choosing one. 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:03.000 We go to the umbrella organization, and they can trickle down to all of their partners, because one might not be a member of another. 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:08.000 From the business sense. Um, and that also doesn't mean. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:15.000 this isn't open to… if you're a business who's not a member of one of these organizations, you're still welcome to apply. That's just one of the outlets we're going to market. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:20.000 Because we know that a substantial section of our business community is registered through them. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:29.000 But not all are. Um… Lhasa, the Los Alamos Sustainability Alliance, formerly Zero Waste, has… is very also supportive of this. 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:37.000 initiative, um, it goes back to way in 2019, they spoke to a dozen restaurants, just kind of went door-to-door and said. 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.000 Hey, would you be interested in something like this? 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:48.000 And they found that in 2019, and a lot of these businesses are still existing, I will say that, uh, they want to be greener, they want more education on that. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:56.000 They want energy audits, they want convenient recycling and composting, and they want to be awarded for taking those actions. That's what Zero Waste found when they did that survey. 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:06.000 Several businesses already do things like this, and maybe they deserve more recognition. You know, a dollar off for bringing in your own coffee cup, compostable takeout containers. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:13.000 There are people, and I'm not saying they're doing it for the recognition, but maybe it'd be nice to recognize what you're already doing, right? Like a pat on their own back. 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:21.000 Um, and as I mentioned before, Green Los Alamos is applicable way beyond businesses. This could go to schools, nonprofits, and other. We could tweak those items. 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:31.000 Um, as needed. Next. So our launch plan. We want to finalize what that recognition packet looks like, um, what does the public messaging look like. 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:41.000 The only reason we haven't done it is we didn't want to put all the work into the program to not go anywhere, so we kind of put the backbone into it to really put the idea there, and then we'll finalize what that messaging looks like. 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:48.000 Um, we're gonna work with LACDC. They know businesses. I don't know businesses. I see their utility data, and I buy from them, but I don't know how business operates, right? 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:55.000 Um, so really working with the people who work frontline with those businesses on how should that marketing look, how should those interactions look? 00:16:55.000 --> 00:17:02.000 Um, bottom line is community development department's newsletter, so it goes out to all businesses who get business licenses. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:07.000 Um, so anybody who's going to be applying for a business license will have the opportunity to learn about this program. 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.000 So we're thinking about all those entry points. Um, into this. 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:19.000 Uh, we're hoping to launch this in late January, post-holidays, like I said, the bulk of it's there, it's just getting those final kind of messaging details out. 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:24.000 And then just seeing what happens. So we could put all this effort in. Maybe there's not a business who's interested. 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.000 it's hard to say, right? Like, we've reached out, and we have. 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:32.000 talked to several businesses who are interested, but that doesn't mean they'll follow through with it. 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.000 It's still a form they have to fill out. 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:45.000 And then we'll continue to explore incentives around this program as it kicks off and develops, and maybe we'll think of an incentive that hasn't been brought to us yet. 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:51.000 I think… Uh, that's last… I'll just put on one more inspiring quote. 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:58.000 Green Los Alamos motivates businesses and hopefully other non-residential entities by recognizing what they've already done and encourage them to. 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:04.000 With achievable measures and resources to move forward. And some of those efforts that they've already done. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.000 I will stand for questions, and did Donald go from? 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:12.000 You should be on now, yes. If she has any questions as well. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:19.000 Great, thank you, Abby. We have questions from the board. 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:37.000 Mine are pretty lame. Um, so the interested answer, a little confused. So, if someone checks interested, then you're going to follow up with that information? Okay, so if it doesn't count towards their yes or no form… No, because we don't. We assume that if they're marking interested, they… They're not there. They haven't done it. 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:47.000 But that doesn't mean they couldn't reapply whenever it's done, right? It just automatically… they can go back in and re-update that form, and it automatically resends it to us, notifying that. 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:56.000 Sorry about it. And if you have concern about them not necessarily response… being responsive to form filling up, you have enough. 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.000 Probably not. Bandwidth to sit down with folks and. 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:06.000 go through… You know what, I didn't, um… We will definitely be talking about this at. 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:11.000 Kiwana's meetings, and Rotary meetings, and getting that out there, so if there are people who want that extra help. 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:22.000 The form's not that long, so I… Exactly, right? It doesn't even help, but it's almost just like… Help with resonance when they go, hey, where's my utility bill so high? There's a lot of time that goes into that on the backside, so it's no different than. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:34.000 Hey, can you help me with this? And that's part of our job, is to provide those resources, and… And help them where they can, so… And so, non-business, you're thinking, like, churches and things, or other… Yeah, yeah, outside of that scope. 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:45.000 I mean… Yeah, and a building kind of functions the same. You still have lights, you still have windows that could be covered or not covered, or… So I think the bones of it are there. 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:49.000 Um, and then I think those blank spaces provided enough. 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:56.000 freedom, or somebody, like, if it's very… You know, large open space, like a congregation-specific. 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:07.000 Then they could investigate it more. Even if they have questions, I suppose they could put the questions. Is this similar to the, like, the… Certification for buildings. 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:14.000 We didn't follow any of that guidance, mostly because a lot of that is new build, a lot of it is. 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:17.000 And then a lot of it is just above and beyond. 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:21.000 Because it's a new build, and we're the age of our buildings are is such a gap. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.000 Um, that doesn't mean it couldn't be included in the future, we just didn't. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.000 touch on that yet, because it's not any sort of requirement. 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:38.000 Uh, outside of county building. That's great. Yeah. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:42.000 Is this saying… is this a national program, or is it something? 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:52.000 Where does it come from? There are, it's not a national program. There are a ton of communities who do similar type programs. There's. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.000 I guess there is one variation that's called a green chamber. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:02.000 So that is a national-based program. We didn't pursue it because we didn't want to just go through chamber. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:08.000 Um, so we modeled it after, like, a green chamber type of organization. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:19.000 Um, when we first came up with the idea, it's kind of also… we looked at sustainable Breckenridge has a program. Santa Fe has a program, so they're all very individualized in how they execute it. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:25.000 Um, I looked up at another one in Colorado, and it was way too advanced for where we are, like. 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:31.000 We just want to get a program off the ground right now, and… And we can reiterate it and rehash it and develop it as we need to. 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:39.000 Um, but that's where we were thinking, is how can we make this the simplest for our community to see how we can get involvement? 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:48.000 I'm glad to hear. It's tuned for… tuned for local. That's what we're hoping for, that's what we're hoping for, yeah. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:22:04.000 A couple of quick questions. The first is, um, I was curious if this is open to businesses that are doing business… just in the county, but aren't here, it sounds like you're kind of thinking, building focused, but I was thinking, like, I see Roadrunner trucks come up every morning. That's true. I guess we were just thinking of the building stock that's here. Yeah. 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:10.000 Um, you know, looking at… because we can access that utility data, we can… visit their buildings. I'm not going to go down to Santa Fe. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:15.000 visit them, so… that's an excellent question. None at this time. Okay. Yeah. 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:24.000 I guess it's like a… food truck that's based out of… but I don't know how much efficiency I can buy per week. Right, yeah. Yeah. 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:27.000 Okay, um, I really like your approach, make it simple, get it. 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:33.000 Started response is, I'm wondering if you've estimated how long it takes to fill out the form? 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.000 And maybe you could put that at the top and just say… That's a good question. 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:53.000 I don't know. for me, because I know what they are, but for a business owner who might not be as familiar with that language, that's a good question, and we have not… tested that, and maybe that's part of that soft launch, is we get a couple actual busy business owners to go through it. 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:58.000 Does the wording make sense? Because, I mean, it's a bunch of people who understand, like. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:09.000 how buildings work, and energy, and water, and that might not translate. If you go to Kiwanis, right, you could ask for a volunteer. Yeah. I think if we do that as well. We'll do it live. 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:20.000 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can certainly do that. Yeah, those are some of the things where we're not… Like, do they need to be worded differently, or is nobody doing this at all? 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:37.000 So… There was one specific one that tripped me. I'll email it to you, but it was… Um, water is provided to customers when requested. We know how to offer that, and it was like, when you're at a restaurant, right? Right, yeah. It's like, how do I say that? Yes, yes. Yes. 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:44.000 That was… that was the one I was like, I'm just gonna write this out for now, and… Yeah, but I'm glad that also changed. 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:49.000 Okay, that was everything I had, thanks a lot. 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:56.000 Alright. And so, what is the perceived purpose of the placards? 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:09.000 Silver Tier, what are they? Versus, like, just across the board of certification? You know, what… I see these round things here with leaves on them. Yeah, so those are just… they're all going to be the same size logo, they're not… 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:21.000 different size, because I had to fit them on there. Um… I think, and Angelica, feel free to add if you want. Let me talk through the different iterations of this. Should it just be, like. 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:27.000 You did it, good job. Um, but I think we wanted to encourage those who have done. 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:33.000 kind of gone above and beyond. Um, so I think, for example, if you're a tenant. 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:39.000 There are at least 25 achievable metrics you could do by yourself without involving your landlord. 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:49.000 We assume, you know, based on the type of business, that might change. Do you provide recycling? And then, kind of that next step up is involving your landlord, and that's a little bit more work. So the tiers are just kind of. 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:53.000 Based on how much work you're putting into it, because. 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:57.000 It's different from you provide recycling, but you provide. 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:03.000 recycling an EV charger, you know, it's just kind of like that effort that you're getting recognized for. 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.000 Um, Angelick, feel free to… Let's model that. 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:18.000 Good evening, um, Board. And, um, yeah, so we just wanted to, like Abby said, just to provide, one, to acknowledge our businesses for the efforts there already. 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:24.000 Um, taking from recycling to LED lighting to bicycle racks or. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:29.000 You know, solar panels or whatnot, so we wanted to give them that range of things that they would. 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:35.000 That would apply. And then we also wanted to acknowledge if there were just superstars, right? There were. 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:41.000 Doing all the things that they could possibly do, so… That's the purpose of the different, uh, categories. 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:50.000 The bronze, silver, and gold, um. So that was our… that's our logic there. 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:56.000 They going to be… on the front doors, what's the perception here? 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.000 Or are these gonna be in a file in the office? 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:06.000 That's a good question. Um, right now, we're going to be developing, like, a green business directory. 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.000 A lot of communities that do this type of program have that. 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:18.000 it's kind of double-edged, so… a lot of communities do this because they have a customer base who wants to support these type of businesses. 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.000 So they'll go out of their way to find who is. 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:29.000 Gonna give them a dollar off for bringing in their own coffee cup, or… you know, more to their own perception of system development. Yeah, I get all that. Yeah. 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:44.000 I'm just wondering about these green things with the leaves on them. That's just their tear record. They're gonna be on the doors, because, you know, you brought up leaf spaces, and… There's gonna be, like, a bias toward, oh, you're not silver, oh, I'm not going to do business with you. 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:54.000 Um, and I know that's not the… Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this, it's entirely optional for a business… put this on their door, whether they want to or not. And the other thing is, like, you don't, you know, you mentioned lease spaces, but I mean. 00:26:54.000 --> 00:27:01.000 A lot of the tenants don't have control over a whole lot of stuff. Yeah. And so, I would hate to see a tenant be. 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:13.000 Psychologically dinged, because, oh, they're not team players, but they can't be team players. Yeah, and that's… Uh, I think that's something we're gonna have to work out once we get the program going. 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.000 And that was partly… That was partly one of the reasons that we had. 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.000 Yeah, so I would… I mean… 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:27.000 even just a bronzer or silver category, because we wanted to make sure that we acknowledge businesses, even if they don't have control over, like. 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:40.000 you know, changing, um, appliances or adding. You know, making any constructor… type improvements. Um… So that's… that's the reason for the different tiers. We didn't want to. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.000 exclude them, that was our way of being inclusive to them. 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:53.000 Knowing that they wouldn't have, you know, full. Autonomy over the building, so… 00:27:53.000 --> 00:28:04.000 We had talked about two tracks, like, one for tenants and one for… people who owns their own buildings, but then it just got really complicated in execution, and. 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:10.000 the items we were putting on there, and so we just went with one program for now, and tried to make at least. 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:17.000 bronze level achievable fort. Yeah, I can see this. 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:23.000 more as, like, say. Um, under the radar type thing. 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:33.000 Working with businesses, but not necessarily advertising. Uh, maybe put that as a Phase 2, like, work out some of the details. Yeah, that would certainly be a good idea. 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:39.000 like I said, it's hard to say what the perception from the actual business could be. 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:48.000 would and will be like, outside of the ones we talked to, but… I didn't talk to many of them, uh, we left that to community development. They work with them on business licenses. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.000 So I… I can't speak directly on what they were saying. 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.000 And I know this is a really stupid question on my part. 00:28:55.000 --> 00:29:01.000 As opposed to my normal students. Really stupid. We're gonna say completions. 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:07.000 How many yeses did they check? The yes box checked. Yes. Because I made that assumption. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:15.000 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um… I might add a not interested. 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:20.000 Because no doesn't necessarily mean not interested. If I'm a tenant, and I have. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:27.000 have no control over my building. I don't have any solar panels. Yeah. And I wouldn't… I would say no. 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:43.000 But there's… that doesn't mean… Yeah. There is a small line at the top of the form that says you don't have to fill in a line at all, you just assume a no or a blank just either doesn't apply to you, or you're not interested. Okay. Yeah. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:50.000 It kind of makes the no box irrelevant, right? Like, it could just be yes or interested. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:58.000 Because if we give them a chance to leave it blank… There's a difference between, no, I'm a scumbag, and no, I have no control over it. Yeah, yeah. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:03.000 And maybe the no should just be not applicable, that way it's, yes, not applicable. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.000 like I said, no means… nothing to this form. 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:12.000 Certainly. That makes more sense. 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:20.000 Other questions? Do you have any public comment? 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.000 Was anyone on Zoom that would like to make public comment, please use the raise. 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:29.000 and function at this time. I'll come in, Chair Gibson. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.000 Back to the board, any further discussion or a motion? 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:40.000 Sure, I'll move the Board of Public Utilities support the Green Los Alamos certification program and forward to Council for approval. 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:45.000 Oh, yeah. Well, I get the suggested motion. 00:30:45.000 --> 00:31:00.000 Thank you. Further comment. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and vote no on this one, just because I… I've got some reservations, so I'm not really sure about, so… All right. 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:12.000 Find your vote. Okay, I'll explain my yes. It's already a collaboration between DPU, other departments, and other entities in the county, so it would make sense that the board's board. 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:23.000 The department's efforts here. It involves areas that are important to this board, namely energy, water, waste, etc. So, transportation. 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:30.000 So a lot of issues that really overlap with that. And it's completely voluntary, and it gives. 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:35.000 those businesses and other entities with big buildings the opportunity to. 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:45.000 show what they've done. I don't know, seems like a win-win to me. 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:52.000 Please call the roll. Yes. Governor? Yes. 00:31:52.000 --> 00:32:02.000 Mr. Stromberg? Yes. Motion passes 3 to 1. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:11.000 I think, uh, the entertainers of the year meetings. 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.000 Look, I have an item between my next one. 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:18.000 They're moving to the next action item, so you can take right off there. 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:23.000 Thank you, Abby. Okay, we're gonna go outside. 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:33.000 in Europe. Okay. Yes. Moving to item 7C, approval of modification. 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:45.000 The contract terms for the ECA. So, I came for you… Earlier this year, uh, to get Mod 24. 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.000 approved, and that one extended our current ECA, um. 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:54.000 It's end date of June. June 31st. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.000 Uh, of this year to December 31st of this year. 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:09.000 So… We were planning on getting the… 2026 ECA completed, and before you, in time, before December 31st of this year. 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:21.000 However, that kind of got further flummoxed by. One, the DOEs… new procurement restrictions and difficulties in actually getting things through their process. 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:34.000 And two, by the federal government shutdown. So, after… It's approximately 6 weeks of federal government, I mean… We looked at the calendar, and we're like, there's no way they're gonna get us their final drafts. 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.000 For us to review back to them, and back to us for. 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:47.000 final review and approval. So that's why we're here before you now. We're asking for another 90-day extension, which takes us out to the end of March. 00:33:47.000 --> 00:34:00.000 Of next year. I would not go with a… 6-month extension, because we… still want to push this with a sense of urgency on the DOE side that. 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:06.000 Encourage them to get this done in it. somewhat in a timely fashion. 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:12.000 Um, there's no other changes other than changing the extension of the term. 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:19.000 I stand for questions. Thank you, Ben. Good questions. 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:32.000 No questions. Is there any public comment? They went on, you know, like, wish to make public comment, please use the raise hand function. 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:41.000 comment, Chair Gibson. Thank you. Board for further discussion or emotion. I move that the Board of Public Utilities recommend. 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:50.000 Council approved modification 25. to the electric coordination agreement between the Incorporated County of Los Alamos and the Department of Energy. 00:34:50.000 --> 00:35:01.000 Second. Okay, moved and seconded. of the suggested motion, except… Be approved rather than approved. 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:08.000 That's what you said, right? Approved. So, getting the minutes right. It is a past park simple in the motion. 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:16.000 That's what's stated here. English, too. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.000 Uh… okay, um… Further discussion? 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:28.000 Seeing none, Camille, would you please call them? Call the roll. Ellingsworth? Yes. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:36.000 Yes. Strongberg? Yes. Member Gibson? Yes. passes 4-0. 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:41.000 Thank you for sharing that. Good luck. 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:45.000 Well, we hope we don't see another one of those. 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.000 Good. Go ahead. What about strategy. 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:58.000 Okay, now… We're back on the original agenda. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:09.000 I've already done the minutes, so we're into item 5A. 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:18.000 That is… Um… live from New York, it's Wednesday night! 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:22.000 You took a… you took away my… my grand opening. 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:30.000 Buy from New York. Happy to be here with you tonight. It's 8 o'clock on the East Coast, and I am drinking. 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:36.000 The infamous drink that all New Yorkers drink. So, trying to stay warm. 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:43.000 Uh, happy to be here with you, uh, tonight we have our… Our draft fleet conversion plan. 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:49.000 That many of you in this room have seen because you attended our community meeting last Wednesday night, so I really appreciate your. 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:54.000 contributions and the conversations that we were able to have that evening. 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:58.000 Um, for the rest of you, uh, this will be an update from what you heard. 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:03.000 At our last meeting, we have some new information regarding power loads. 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:13.000 Um, EV charging locations. etc, some costs… some greenhouse gas emission calculations. 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:19.000 And, um, this is a big milestone. So tonight, we hope to gather your feedback on this draft. 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:26.000 presentation ask you to take time, um. To submit your comments if you have any others. 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:31.000 Regarding the draft, that'll be open until December 17th. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:36.000 And, um, of course, you're welcome to provide them here tonight as well, or to me by email. 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:42.000 Uh, we have our Stantec team online. Which is Josh Schacht. 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:51.000 Amelie Castillo and Greg Wallingford. Uh, we also have Pete Mondragon, who is our fleet manager, who has helped tremendously with this project. 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.000 Sue Barnes, who is a board… ESB board member. 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.000 And she's also been on the working group committee. 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:18.000 And then one of, uh, DPU's. engineer associates is Mariano Valdez has been a great help as well, so… I'll turn it over to Annalie. 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.000 Like I mentioned, bring this, uh, really great milestone. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:26.000 Um, my name is Annale Castillo, I'm the Serial Mission Technical Lead here with Stantec. 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:32.000 Uh, and I have also been serving as a serial mission… sorry, as the deputy. 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:48.000 project manager for this project. Um, and I'm so… I was wondering, do we have a slide deck available that we want to. 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.000 I do also have it on my end, if that's easier. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.000 switch to that and not to the… Um, I think it's attachment, um, C, if… 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:58.000 Yes, there is a slight deck. 00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.000 Would you like us to share from our end? 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:12.000 I think we have it, give me a second… here we go. 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.000 Oh, can you see that? 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:27.000 Yes, thank you, uh, tricks and board members. So, yeah, if we go to the next slide, uh, we'll… Have a quick agenda, a really fast overview of the project purpose. 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:33.000 We're gonna have some of those updates of new items for the feed conversion plan, and then we're going to go into detail. 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.000 Uh, with the items for the community-wide EV charging plan. 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:42.000 Uh, and then we'll have some space for, uh, you know, summary and questions, as well as updates on the next steps. 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:47.000 Um, I would say we're gonna go a little bit fast. 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:52.000 In the sense that we're not going to repeat some of the content from prior presentations, but if there is any additional questions. 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:57.000 Please feel free to ask, we can get back to some of those details. 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.000 So, uh, on the next… Yes? 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:03.000 I believe that roughly a long presentation will take. 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:06.000 We're aiming for 12 minutes max. 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.000 Oh, great. Fantastic. Nope, we've got one member who has to leave in a little while, and I want to make sure he has some time to. 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:13.000 Yes. 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:19.000 Uh, provide feedback also. Something like that should work just fine. Thank you. 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:24.000 Yeah. We've been practicing, so… You can time us. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.000 Uh, so next slide, um, we have, um, as you recall. 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:35.000 The project purpose is just to really reduce greenhouse gas emissions, expand EV charging, and. 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:40.000 Engage community partners and community members across the different states of this project. 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:55.000 The next slide, um… We do want to make sure that, uh… These are action items to accomplish some of the items and goals set up in the Climate Action Plan, so… The idea is to propose. 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:00.000 implementation of these two plans is a way to contribute to those goals. 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:06.000 And on the next slide, um… Specifically for the county fleet conversion plan. 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:12.000 Uh, on the next slide, you'll be able to see a few of the new additional items compared to where we left last time. 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:17.000 So, we establish, you know, the operational needs, the. 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:30.000 Site assessment in the dashboard, and now we're evaluating two very specific phasing strategies. 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:36.000 had additional components to support, uh, implementation of either of those. 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:44.000 And on the next slide… walking specifically, um, as you… really briefly, the. 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:53.000 facing is really tailored to the operational needs in transition policies of the current fleet operators and the county. 00:41:53.000 --> 00:42:10.000 And in the next slide, the EV facing plan that we, um… Uh, proposed was based on the assumption that the total fleet was considered. 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:22.000 exemptions due to a specialized service… services. And based on that, um, the transition score, then the market availability was able to provide a score approach for this. 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:30.000 So, in the next slide, um, you'll see the two specific implementation strategies that we evaluated. The first one is the current. 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:36.000 County's, uh, EV policy, which is buying two electric vehicles each year. 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:41.000 Uh, that will bring them to a max of 31 EV by 2050. 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:50.000 Uh, in the new, uh, updated strategy is called the CAP policy, just aiming to align better with the Climate Action Plan. 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:55.000 And this is aiming to have carbon neutrality by 2050. 00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:03.000 Which allows us to have about 86% of the EV fleet, uh, completely zero emissions by 2050. And the only. 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:08.000 reason why we wouldn't reach 100% is due to those exemptions that were identified. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:24.000 And on the next slide. We'll have, um… you can see the year-by-year phasing, so at the vehicle ID level, we were able to identify when those vehicles are going to be replaced, and make sure that there was some market available option in. 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:37.000 Obviously, the… the… more aggressive vehicle procurement is going to impact some of those financials we will see, but it's also going to maximize those benefits from the environmental perspective. 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:42.000 And then… next slide, um, this is the first. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:55.000 kind of glance of how the assessment was also looking at not only when the vehicles are being purchased, but how and where is this going to impact? So there was, uh, specific charging infrastructure that was. 00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:01.000 Um, compare… sorry, align with the year-by-year implementation at the specific. 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:09.000 site, and basically we divide this into three phases of implementation for a larger strategy. 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:16.000 And this, in the next slide, this allows to align, um, the inputs for a financial evaluation. 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:22.000 So this assessment, uh, and this is some of the new items that we wanted to present, is. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:28.000 The financial assessment is based on a total cost of ownership, so it considers vehicle procurement. 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:33.000 Uh, the actual level of utilization and maintenance data from the county. 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:39.000 Uh, cost for current fuels, as was the electric vehicles as they come online. 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:55.000 The maintenance facility modifications, charging equipment costs. As well as inflation. Uh, so it's important to note that this comparison is between now and 2050, so throughout pretty much all that time, there is going to be a combined. 00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:03.000 Uh, procurement of both fleets, EVs, and, um… current, um, ICE internal combustion engine. 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:14.000 Uh, so we see about, uh… the ICE policy is basically if they were to cancel the current EV policy and continue to, you know, just procure conventional. 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:18.000 These are gasoline vehicles, just as a way of a baseline. 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:27.000 And basically, the difference between the cap policy and the EV policy is about a 25% increase in the cost. 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:38.000 A lot of that is obviously because of the fleet acquisition. We are being considerate, and we didn't assume there was going to be aggressive market trends for the vehicles to go down. 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:48.000 Um, and unfortunately, from this perspective, the fleet maintenance and fuel savings are still not enough to close that gap a little bit better. 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:54.000 However, in the next slide, we can focus on the environmental benefits of this. While the cap. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:46:03.000 Uh, sorry, the EV policy. only, uh, saves about 10% of the, uh, accumulative emissions between now and 2050. 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:08.000 past that time, if we maintain that, uh, you know, percentage of EVs. 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:15.000 We are going to be able to eliminate between, you know, 18% of the yearly emissions compared to the ICE. 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:21.000 scenario, and this is where we see the big benefit for the cap policy for an environmental perspective, a cumulative is. 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:31.000 three times higher accumulative emissions between now and the transition period, and after that, we're going to be saving close to 80% every year. 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:38.000 Compared to the baseline emissions. So that's about, you know, accumulated between now and 2050, that's about. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:43.000 12,000 tons of… metric tons, uh, combined that they're going to be eliminated. 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:53.000 Um, and this also already is, uh, relying on the sense that now, in 2027, there's going to be about 50% of your. 00:46:53.000 --> 00:47:01.000 Capacity is going to be provided from. Uh, fox cell flats, which increases the, um, you know, how renewable and clean the. 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:08.000 The grid is. And additionally, we're also considering that, um, the grid itself is going to get, uh, carbon neutral. 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:17.000 past 2040. So, the CAP policy is really able to leverage that clean grid to maximize the environmental benefits. 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:27.000 And in the next slide, um… Uh, to put into perspective, um, those 12,000 metric tons that are going to be eliminated is close to. 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:34.000 1.3, uh, gallons of gasoline that will be completely eliminated from, you know, emissions perspective. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:43.000 And it is also the cumulative emissions of 1,600 houses. So just to put into perspective, um, the impact of those emissions. 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:56.000 And then the next slide, um… Uh, we have a really obviously applicable for this board is that we were able to project the added power capacity that will be. 00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:04.000 Coming online at the different, uh, sites. This considers locations where the county has vehicles, as well as. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:10.000 Uh, chargers from the public that will be installed under the next. 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:16.000 scope that Josh will walk you guys through, and it also accounts, um, county fleet. 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:28.000 Uh, the atomic Power Fleet. And the hypothetical, if the public schools were to go electric, we also anticipated a higher power requirement at the site level. 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:35.000 And on the next slide. We'll have, um, additional components that you can find into the actual draft, which is. 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:43.000 focus on workforce development, safety consideration, and obviously, very important, funding opportunities to close that gap. 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:48.000 Uh, for procurement and capital improvements. And on the next slide. 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:56.000 A really quick takeaways, uh, it's clear that the EV policy has significant savings from a financial perspective. 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:06.000 Uh, but it also minimizes a little bit the greenhouse gas reduction potential versus a cap policy that has, you know, a trade-off of, um, pretty equal higher. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:12.000 Um, can we have gas reduction compared to the increase on the financial, and we will be able to have, uh, 86%. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:22.000 Total fleet conversion. And next slide. 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.000 Great, thanks, Emily, and thank you, Chair and members of the board. 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:24.000 Um, I'll pass it on to Josh now. 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:31.000 We're now getting into the second half of this project, which is focused on the fleet, but on the community-wide EV charging plan. 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:36.000 And similar to what Emily mentioned, you know, we're gonna speed through some of the. 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:43.000 parts of this you've already seen, but if there are any questions on some of these assumptions, feel free to let us know, and we'll jump back to those. 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.000 Just to start on this slide here, we wanted to share some of the. 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:54.000 Uh, criteria that we're looking for in an ideal charging network. That's demand, suitability, and equity. What I want to call out on this slide, um. 00:49:54.000 --> 00:50:03.000 that we mentioned with the County Council presentation last week is that something we have heard in these prior presentations is a question about whether economics and cost is included in this analysis. 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:09.000 So what I want to clarify is that, yes, those factors, economics and cost, are included in this analysis. 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:21.000 But what we do is first look at these three criteria, demand, suitability, and equity, to determine where those charges should go, and then in the recommendations about specific sites and about the business plans for those sites, we consider the cost. 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:34.000 You can jump to the next slide. And what we're showing here is a quick sample of some of the charging preferences and locations that we heard in that first survey back in May. And again, you'll see. 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:39.000 The blue dots on this map are locations that were completed in the online survey that was sent out. 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:46.000 To the county, and the orange pins are locations that were identified in the, uh, in-person and virtual community meeting. 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.000 Back in May. And then on the right, you've seen some of these responses, but what I want to call out is this. 00:50:51.000 --> 00:51:03.000 specific phrasing, because we've gotten some questions on that, as well as the quantity of the responses that we got on each of these different sections, and two to highlight are that first one, that there's a very helpful. 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:11.000 Uh, vote for at-home, uh, charging and private garages, as well as at shopping, dine-in, and entertainment destinations. 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:17.000 Jump to the next slide. So now we're going to get into how we actually model this site suitability. 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:24.000 You can go ahead. And so, uh, what you see on the screen are a few examples of those locations where. 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:35.000 Charging is less preferable. So these are waterways, floodplains, uh, in the middle there, some exempt federal land, and when we look at private. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:39.000 residences, uh, we're excluding those from. publicly accessible county-owned charging. 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:49.000 On the next slide, see a quick overview of what… of how we merge these different datasets in to determine what areas are most suitable for chargers. 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:56.000 And on the next slide, we've got a sample of a bunch of those datasets that we use, mixed use zoning, EV travel, private land. 00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:03.000 downtown cores, etc. And we weight those different data sets differently, depending on what scenario we're looking at. 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:12.000 And we did look at 4 different scenarios. As a reminder, we have the home charging scenario, county-owned public charging scenario, the shared privately owned level 2 charging. 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:25.000 And the fast charging scenario. And on the next slide, um, we're just kind of leading in here to showing how we identify the specific locations, and what's different now from last time we spoke. 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:32.000 is not only specific locations that are identified, but the quantity at those locations, and the associated power impacts. 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:37.000 That, uh, will be resulted from. having chargers at those locations. 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.000 So, next slide, we've got the first scenario, which is the at-home charging scenario. 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:47.000 And we've got one graph here that shows you a little bit about how we're looking at single-family and multi-family. 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:55.000 Uh, charging news throughout the day. But on the next slide, what you'll see is how we can forecast that at-home charging demand across. 00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:05.000 Uh, the entire county, as well as locally at each of the individual feeders. So on the left, you see each of those feeders under high, medium, and low EV adoption rates. And on the right, you see how those stack up. 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:10.000 To indicate the entire power demand across the county. 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:17.000 On the next slide, we go into the second scenario, which is the county-owned, uh… Uh, country owned publicly accessible charging. 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:25.000 And on the left, we have… Uh, something you'll be familiar with, these suitability maps, where darker orange areas are more suitable and lighter orange are less suitable. 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:44.000 And what we have on the right is specific locations, um, as well as the number of proposed chargers at those spots, and the anticipated power that is associated with those. And something I do want to note here is, through some of the conversations that we've had, is some really excellent feedback on a few different locations. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:50.000 That, um, people feel are missing, and so one thing that we'll be adding in is a couple locations in White Rock. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.000 We'll get to that in some of these other scenarios. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.000 So on the third scenario, uh, on the next slide. 00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:01.000 We've got shared level 2 charging, um, that is privately owned. And when we say privately owned, we mean. 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:07.000 I'm not owned by the county, so that's why we have the medical center, the high school, the elementary school, as well as. 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:14.000 some of the hotels. And again, we've got all two charger counts there, and… The anticipated power of each of those. 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:22.000 And then finally on the next slide, we've got the DC fast charging scenario. Um… I'll note here that in addition to the Smith's location. 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:34.000 Um, earlier under the county-owned charging scenario, we also had the Justice Center identified, and… And as mentioned, we are looking during this draft review period at some White Rock locations. 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:38.000 So, on the next slide, what we've done is pull all of those. 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.000 Uh, locations for public charging, as well as the fleet charging. 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:51.000 Uh, impact that Annalie presented and compiled that into these graphs for high, medium, and low EV adoption scenarios to understand what the total impact. 00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:54.000 Uh, on the grid is going to look like. 00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:01.000 And finally, um, the next slide. We've got a few different general recommendations. 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:13.000 And that, um, that are detailed in depth in the… report, uh, but highlight a couple. We've got prioritize high-demand county sites, building a tiered network with both Level 2 and BC fast charging. 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:27.000 As you can see. And I think in the interest of time, we are at 14 and a half minutes, uh… Apologies for that extra two and a half, but I think now we'd love to answer any questions that you have. 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:37.000 Well, thank you very much for the… Update, and… We're doing it very concisely, and… Timely manner. 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:42.000 Um… Board for questions, and we'll start with Matt. 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:49.000 Thank you for making this quick, and thanks for helping with my scheduling. Um, I do have a couple of questions, of course. 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:53.000 Um, the first one was directed towards the fleet study. 00:55:53.000 --> 00:56:00.000 And it was really… it's on slide 12, but um… You don't need to pull it up unless it's easy. Um, it was really a question about the vehicle maintenance costs. 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:05.000 Um, and that was just a bullet on the slide, so I went back and I read through the report. 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:10.000 And what caught my eye was it's a 10% reduction in maintenance costs. 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:17.000 Uh, for EVs compared to ICE. And that caught my attention because I thought, that doesn't reflect my personal experience, let me look at the reference. 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:23.000 And the reference isn't referred to, so I went and did some studies, and I found a DLE study that said it was about 40%. 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.000 And then I looked further, and there was another study that was based on. 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:31.000 Consumer Reports data gathered from a number of consumers, and it said 50% reduction in cost. 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:40.000 So, I'd be interested in what your footnote 14 is. 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.000 Yes. 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:42.000 Yes, uh… 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:48.000 Um, but I've… I think… this is a pretty conservative estimate, or… incorrect conservative. I would say it should be closer to 50% or 10%, so I don't know if you want to do a range or do two cases. 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:54.000 Or… what? What do you use to base that 10% assumption on? 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:58.000 I'd like to answer. So, board, thank you for that question. 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:04.000 Um, so we did… We actually spent a lot of time on this topic in particular. 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:12.000 Uh, one of the things that we did, besides look at other studies, because there are studies, like you mentioned, that have much higher cost savings. 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:17.000 But we scrutinized our internal data that we've seen already. 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:21.000 Um, in terms of cost savings with EVs and. 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.000 Though we don't have many EVs on our fleet today. 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:29.000 We did use that number, um, which is… it's actually 9%. 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:33.000 Uh, cost savings that we're seeing from reduced maintenance costs. 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:42.000 We do have a robust, um… Maintenance program where they're on a schedule, so that does take our staff time. 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.000 To be checking the EVs, so that's something that we might look at. 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:54.000 modifying for EVs. Since they don't need, like, their routine oil changes, so it might just be a different sort of. 00:57:54.000 --> 00:58:02.000 Uh, check, but also we wanted to make sure that we were conservative enough if something happened, like we needed to replace a battery. 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:09.000 Um, that would really skew our numbers, right? We wouldn't see that same 9% cost reduction. 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:18.000 So I'll just say that, that's why we stuck with the 10% to be conservative, and then I'll let Josh talk a little bit about his footnote. 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:19.000 Or, Amelief, sorry. 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:29.000 And… yeah, I can… I can chime in there to remember. Uh, I think the main thing was that we haven't referenced studies that are more fleet-related, rather than personal use-related. 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:33.000 Uh, because one, we want to make sure that we capture vehicles. 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:39.000 Um, where the workforce is going to be reflecting from that perspective, right? So. 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:51.000 Um, we do understand not only, obviously, the learning curve at some point is going to establish, but the fact that you're going to have, uh, staff that is going to be more specialized, right? Like, they gotta get either. 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:58.000 Updated training in computers, diagnosis, electrification, high voltage systems. 00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:07.000 Um, in electric motor engines. So overall, it's not just the cost of, like, the training itself, but we want to recognize that the labor hours. 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:13.000 at some point, it's gonna have to, uh, potentially increase to recognize the higher specialties. 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:22.000 Uh, the second item that we have identified in some of those reports, even on FLITA-specific reports, is that most of the time those are done during warranty periods. 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:27.000 So, they don't account for the cost of high specialty. 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:33.000 Um, equipment, right? Like, I like alluded to, um, battery electric, uh, control systems. 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:39.000 the battery itself, uh, more sophisticated, uh, temperature in, um. 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:55.000 other electrical components that, while we do anticipate they're not going to be consistently failing, when they do fail, and if they do fail outside of the warranty period, then that… those are going to be more expensive, so that was one of the big components for us to be conservative on the approach. 00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:00.000 Um, and to… you know, looking at the data specifically for, uh. 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:09.000 Your county, your fleet managers are doing an amazing job at keeping the maintenance costs of their fleet very, very low. 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:19.000 Even though their vehicles are way past, you know, let's say a mileage or an age goal. So, we have seen vehicles that are being kept, you know, for. 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:27.000 10, 12 years in their cost of maintenance is still really low. We want to make sure that they have the same opportunity with electric vehicles. 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:36.000 So, if we were to assume that, you know, they're going to be able to have even lower maintenance costs, that would mean that they could keep the electric vehicles for 15, 18 years. 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:42.000 Uh, and at that point, it's not enough information at this point to know that if electric vehicles can even expand. 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:48.000 the useful life of their current vehicles. So, it was a combination of, uh, like you alluded to, some. 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:55.000 More specific fleet assumptions, and I can share some of those. We'll make sure to adapt some of those. 01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:03.000 fleeta-specific components and savings. And again, we kind of work together with the county staff to make sure that, um. 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:15.000 we were not gonna put them on a place where, if it didn't work that way, they were going to be stuck with vehicles that needed to be replaced significantly sooner than they're doing with their vehicles. 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:21.000 Um, and the last thing I wanted to add to that is our replacement strategy for EVs. 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:32.000 In this case, it relies on maintenance heavily. So, if a vehicle is not reaching a percentage of their maintenance over a vehicle procurement goal. 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:43.000 then that means the fleet will keep them for longer. So, to that example that I gave, like, if they have specific vehicles that they have on the fleet, they're having. 01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:44.000 on the fleet for, like, you know, 12 years. 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:48.000 If we assume a lower maintenance, that means that increases to 50. 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:59.000 1916, and we just wanted to make sure that we were conservative, um, not because… not just the implications that it has on the financial, but the real-life implications of them maintaining. 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:06.000 Uh, vehicles for that long without supporting data at the moment. 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:09.000 Great, yeah, thanks. I'd love to see those fleet reports that you mentioned, and those. 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:15.000 Yeah, I'll be happy to add some footnotes to more comprehensive in there. Thank you. 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.000 Great. Um, and then I think my other questions were more bit of a community charging study. 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:27.000 Um… The first one was… I don't know for the study's purpose how. 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:41.000 Important it is to be completely accurate. So, from the slide presentation, this was, like, slide… 28 and 30, where you talk about where there's potential Level 3s and level 2s, um… There's a missing Level 3 charger that. 01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:46.000 I see every time I come in and out of the municipal building, and I don't know if it's important to capture that one. 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.000 Similarly, there's one… there's two… there's one at the White Rock Visitor Center currently. 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:54.000 I think that's missing in some of the tables, so maybe just scrubbing. 01:02:54.000 --> 01:03:02.000 What… what's there? I mean, I think it's not totally consistent between the report. I understand it's a draft, but maybe just scrubbing that. 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:09.000 Um, or did… let's pick on the level 3 outside the municipal building. Is that excluded for a reason, or is that missing? 01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:13.000 Uh… You wanna… 01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:28.000 Very good question. Um, and thank you for that. I think, um… We did intend to include that, uh, in this table, and I'm looking at the slide now and see if that's not in the L3 charger, so thanks for pointing that out. We'll make sure we update that. 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:35.000 Okay, I've had a couple others, and I'll just email those in to you, Angelica, and you can share those, but I just wanted to make sure, like, we want to get that right, I think. 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:36.000 Yeah, agreed. 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:37.000 Right. Okay. 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.000 Yeah, thank… thank you. Council member? 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:48.000 And then my next one… on the community charging, um, this was actually in the report, not in the slides. 01:03:48.000 --> 01:04:00.000 I was excited to see the bi-directional section. This is on page… 122 of our package, it's also labeled page 31 of the report or page 20 of the report. There's 3 different page numbers on it. 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:05.000 But then there's a statement that there are not any vehicles with true vehicle-to-grid capabilities. 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:12.000 Um, and I know Nissan leaf since 2017 have had that capability, and they're actually deployed with the DC Bell Aura. 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:17.000 Which is UL certified, and they're deployed out in California, they're installing in California and in Texas. 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:23.000 Sorry, I don't know if… I can provide more information, or if you want to correct that, or if there's anything. 01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:27.000 You want to tell me I'm crazy, that'd be great, too. 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:33.000 Thank you, board member. And Greg, I don't know if you have any specific comments on… I think that's a bit of your specialty. 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.000 There's something you want to add to that? 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:41.000 Yeah, absolutely. I think we would certainly welcome any sort of context that you all have. 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:48.000 Related to specific, um… Um, vehicle brands and manufacturers that you specifically have contacts with, of course. 01:04:48.000 --> 01:05:03.000 Um, um, from our standpoint, vehicle to grid, there's a lot of interest in vehicle-to-grid right now. Yes, of course, there's certainly interest. 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:23.000 Um, in implementing vehicle-to-grid, um, from, um. Stantec's sort of perspective, um, that I'll talk about from the, um, power delivery. 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:41.000 Uh, distribution grid planning side. Um, the question right now… 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:43.000 infrastructure investment, uh, upgrade for. 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:53.000 like that. Um, what we under… larger municipalities. Um, right now, that vehicle to grid, um, sort of nexus at the grid. 01:05:53.000 --> 01:06:04.000 Um, is outside of the scope of study, but it is there, and we will likely need to interface with it at some point, once we get farther down. 01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:09.000 Um, and more mature as this study implementation actually takes place over time. 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:14.000 Um, right now, it's a little too early for us as Stantec to reliably. 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:31.000 count on it and bake it into the current version of the study. Um… We think it will come. We think it's just a matter of time, um… It will be a part of a more mature implementation, though, so yes, I think your question is timely, and well received. 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:34.000 I think my thought is we'll get there, um, as we go through time. 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:38.000 But we would appreciate any context right now that you have. 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.000 They're only mail that in, yeah. I hope we get there sooner. 01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:42.000 Absolutely. We have a… we have an aggressive adoption policy, if you guys notice, so we're… we might… we might lean on you guys for that one. 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:50.000 Yes. Um… 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:54.000 Excellent. I hope we can be a place of innovation. 01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:55.000 Um, and I think the last one was just a thank you. I really appreciated that you. 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.000 Hmm. 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:07.000 I think he switched to use Evaluate New Mexico to get counts in the county, and I hadn't seen that. That was really fantastic, so I… just kudos on that. 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:11.000 I think that's everything I've got. Please. 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.000 Thank you, remember. 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:24.000 You know, Eric. Yeah, I got a lot of questions, but… I'm mainly interested… I think you said that you… we had until the 17th to make comments? 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:33.000 And I was looking for places… we just send that to Angelico, or do we send it to… is there a different link? 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:34.000 You can do it. 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:42.000 Member Stromberg, you can… I'll send the link to Philo, and he can send it to the… to the board, um, or you're also welcome to share your comments directly to me by email. 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:46.000 Okay, so one of the… one of the comments I had to sort of. 01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:52.000 humorous, almost, if you can take it that way, generators, you know, resiliency. 01:07:52.000 --> 01:08:03.000 And we talk about generators. And I'm like, well, that's interesting. And one of my comments is going to be, I think we need to do everything in our power to use natural gas generators and not diesel. 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:15.000 It mentions diesel, but… diesel generators have got lots and lots of problems with fuel and replacing it and running it, and carbon exhaust, and setting wildfires downwind. 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:27.000 all loved by natural gas, but I'll send all my comments to Angelica or the link. 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:34.000 Um, I just want to follow up on Matt's comments regarding total cost of ownership. 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:40.000 Um, in the document, it states that the significantly higher purchase price. 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:48.000 And large investment, um, for charging infrastructure, it was the… seemed to be the primary contributors, in your opinion. 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:52.000 to the total cost of ownership being higher for EVs. 01:08:52.000 --> 01:09:09.000 Um, and so… It seems counter to what is… Mostly out there in the, uh, you know, um… So, data that you can find online. So basically, um, the higher purchase prices are primarily for a luxury EV vehicles. 01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.000 And the delta is greatest for those, but for standard. 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:22.000 vehicles, and I think trucks as well, um, they're… they're getting much more comparable, so I'm a little concerned if that is really a driver. 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:30.000 For the apparent higher total cost of ownership. And then, um, I do have a questions more specifically about the cost, uh. 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:39.000 I'll get to that in a second. So I guess, maybe this is going to come with the answers you give for Matt, um, in terms of more details. 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:46.000 And regarding to the assumptions you've used to create, um… this analysis of total cost of ownership, because. 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:49.000 Mostly, what you see, I think, by other entities. 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:56.000 is quite the opposite. Typically, EVs. And I know there's maybe distinction between fleet and private. 01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:03.000 But is it that great? I mean, because really, there's lots out there right now that show that EVs, especially over time. 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:06.000 Um, have a much lower total cost of ownership, so I'm a little. 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:18.000 concern, it just seems like you can change one number, and this calculation really can flip, and so… understanding everything that's going in, those assumptions is important. 01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.000 Um… Okay. 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:27.000 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, thank you. Thank you, board member, for that question. Um, I will say that the first thing related to the price, uh, to the procurement cost. 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:33.000 Um, we use current data of the vehicle procurement cost of the fleet. 01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:38.000 As, you know, the county, uh, has records on. 01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:44.000 Uh, from their current electric vehicles, as well as their current recent procurement of gasoline and diesel. 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:49.000 And we compare that to available quotes for fleeta-specific applications. 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:57.000 Um, at different levels, so we did that evaluation for light-duty vehicles, medium… two types of light duty, two types of medium. 01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:07.000 And 3 types of heavy duty. Um, and… We were able to select a specific vehicles that represent those categories. So, for example, some of the. 01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:19.000 the heavy duties will be that the specialist refused truck or specialized snow removal vehicles. A lot of those, if they are available, their quotes are still significantly higher compared to the conventionals. 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:24.000 So we use some of that delta as the main point of reference. 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:30.000 Um, I will agree, um, from our perspective, we are also being very conservative, assuming that. 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:34.000 Um, you know, that delta is not gonna close. 01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:40.000 that soon, mostly because there is still a lot of vehicles that don't have a direct equivalent. 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:48.000 that can satisfy the operational needs. So while they might be, you know, some vehicles are already available that they're going to start reducing in price. 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.000 They're going to be some new vehicles that still have to catch up, right? Like, they still have to come up with. 01:11:53.000 --> 01:12:00.000 different brands that are going to adopt it in market, that is going to be able to adopt that and be able to establish. 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:10.000 Um, like a commercial price and not just, um… demo, specifics, which is the case for a few of those current applications. 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:15.000 Um, the other piece of why the overall total cost of ownership is not looking. 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:20.000 as great as compared to some other studies is because we're evaluating the transition period. 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:37.000 So we're saying, you know, between now and 2050, there's gonna be that mix of diesel and gasoline with EVs. So we're not comparing, you know, we start from clean slot between now and then. We really wanted to account for that transition, because that's kind of the reality that the county is going to have to. 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:43.000 You know, go through, like, they're not going to be able to see the immediate fuel savings. 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:49.000 Um, you know, if you were to switch one day to the next one, right? Like, you have to keep. 01:12:49.000 --> 01:13:01.000 procuring D-cell, you have to keep procuring gasoline. While you are going to start seeing some of those reductions, um, you know, even though it's conservative, on the maintenance and on the fuel side. 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:08.000 Um, so I think that might be one of the major differences that we see between our total cost of ownership, that is a transition assessment. 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:14.000 rather than, you know, let's start from scratch, and it's just a baseline comparison. 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:25.000 And then again, we want to make sure that we are reflecting the reality for a lot of these vehicles that, um, while there is some great advancements, you know, and light duty and even medium duty. 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:32.000 There's still significant gaps, like, you know, the majority of the vehicles in the fleet are F250s, for example. 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:36.000 There's not an equivalent of that that actually satisfy their needs. 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:49.000 So, we wouldn't… we didn't want to assume, like, the current price gap is going to be reduced, you know, in the next 10 years if we are not… Entirely sure at what point that market is going to have the one-to-one equivalent and established. 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:55.000 that competitive pricing. So, I would say those are the two major contributors from what you will see the difference. 01:13:55.000 --> 01:14:14.000 Um, and we did kind of run a few sensitivity analysis, and like Angelika mentioned, we would make sure that we… we're validating all of this information, uh, against their actual data and their actual quotes from, you know, them being early adopters in a lot of that perspective. 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:15.000 Yeah, thank you. That was very helpful. Yeah. 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:21.000 I'd like to just add something that we might be able to… well, we will do as we move forward through this transition. 01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:26.000 Um, whether we take our current approach or a more aggressive approach is. 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:30.000 you know, tracking the actual cost savings. And that'll help, you know. 01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:41.000 To… to, you know, demonstrate the effectiveness of. Of transitioning to an EV fleet, so… That's something that we plan to do. 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:47.000 As we have more data and we have more EVs on our fleet to showcase for that. 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.000 And there is a direct, like, right now, we have. 01:14:50.000 --> 01:15:00.000 We've actually modified our internal IDC, um. policy to adjust for that cost savings, because that currently hadn't been reflected. 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:09.000 So that'll come out during this next budget cycle, so… That is something that we've done through this process. 01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:14.000 Okay, and then in section 4.2, um, the figure 4-1. 01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:24.000 Um, I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, um… So, the higher the number, um… is your… it kind of translates over to needing. 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:34.000 either a higher ratio of, um, charging to. Um, vehicle or to, you know, from L2 to fast tracking, is that? 01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:35.000 Correct. I love that. 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:47.000 Oh. Yeah, do you mind… do you have the page handy, Board Member, by chance? 01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:48.000 in your packet to feed. Yeah, it's 27 and 15. There's two numbers. 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:52.000 On the report. 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:53.000 Sorry. Do you have the slide number on that one? 01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:54.000 Oh… 01:15:54.000 --> 01:16:05.000 I'm in the… I don't know, um… It's in the report, 27 is the middle number, and 15 is on the right-hand side. 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:06.000 0 section 4.2. The influx starts at once. 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:11.000 Oh, because it's the package, yeah. Thank you for going to… thank you. 01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:15.000 It starts at 128. This is Section 4. 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:16.000 Thank you. 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:26.000 As the first figure is $4. I'll do my… 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:30.000 Uh, yeah, and is that for the fleet to confirm? 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.000 Charger assignments by class and make… there you go, that's it. 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:35.000 You know… 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:36.000 Let me share the screen real quick, sorry. No. 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:43.000 Thank you. 01:16:43.000 --> 01:17:01.000 Thank you, board member, and um… Yes, related to this, um… Um… Yeah, thank you. So, so there… there were a few components that were into the considerations, so… The first was we were trying to identify to what degree. 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:10.000 Um, there is, uh… A technical requirement for vehicles to have a level 2 or a level. 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:15.000 3 capacity, and that is dictated just by the technology, right? Like, the bigger the battery. 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:21.000 They will have to go over, you know, a fast charger, because you don't want to spend, you know. 01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:28.000 Over 14 hours to full charge. So that will be the first item that was identified. 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:33.000 Um, and then, from that perspective, we also work with the. 01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:39.000 With the fleet and their operations to understand to what degree some vehicles. 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:57.000 By their type in class. They will qualify to share charging infrastructure. Uh, so this was, uh, a detailed assessment that we were looking at, you know, to what is the proximity on when the vehicles are, if they're part of the same department. 01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:02.000 And if their service type would allow for a shared infrastructure. 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:07.000 So, this assignment right here specifically, um, if it's a share or not a share level 2. 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:12.000 And if it's a share or not a share level fast charger or level. 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:23.000 3, consider those two components. First, you know, technology requirements, and two, operation of feasibility from the fleet and their operations, and the department needs. 01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:26.000 To be able to share infrastructure. 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:34.000 So, does the latter include, um, average mileage for the vehicle, the type of vehicle? 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:35.000 For some of it. Excuse me. 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:45.000 I mean, you know, so what… Go 40 miles in a day, so perhaps you wouldn't need a 14-hour to complete a charge. 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:55.000 Uh, yes, thank you, board member. And that is, uh, the case for, for some of these vehicles, but chances are for, like, the higher, uh, class. 01:18:55.000 --> 01:19:01.000 Um, it's a bit… not just related to the mileage, but it's also related to. 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:06.000 auxiliary components, uh, being able to operate in, you know, hauling. 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:12.000 Uh, and added loads, specialized equipment that is added, uh, so the. 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:20.000 bigger battery for the bigger vehicles is not just related to the distance, it's also related to the duty of some of these vehicles. 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:32.000 Um, in the shared piece. is where that… that's where that comes to play, right? Like, if there is a heavy-duty vehicle that we do know, um, you know, it requires a higher capacity because. 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:43.000 Also, some vehicles are not able to take a Level 2, right? So. 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:57.000 a port for fast charger. Similarly, there are going to be a few vehicles that are specialized, right? Like, they are bigger batteries than the, um… energy management system wouldn't allow them to have a Level 2. 01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:03.000 But in those cases, if we know the utilization is low, and we know that there is opportunity for charges. 01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:11.000 That's where the share component was added to account for that utilization level. 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:21.000 Thank you. One more quick question. Um, basically. Couple pages later… Um, it's, uh, table 43. 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:35.000 Um… Yeah. Um, so basically, just… just looking at, say, the first line for PCS1 through 5, in both cases, top and bottom. 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:52.000 CAP and EV policy. The cost, um… are quite similar, so about a million dollars, um… for the EV policy in 1.25 for the, um… to the other, is that primarily the difference in that it… 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:57.000 In the EV Center, we have two fast chargers included, whereas in. 01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:05.000 the CAF policy, if the previous chart is correct, and this is not one where Matt was identifying a missing fast charger. 01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:06.000 Yeah, this helps. 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:15.000 Um, we only have 19… Is that right? And they're just much less expensive? I'm trying to understand. 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:16.000 Yeah. 01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:24.000 And just… yes, board members, so there's a few components. The first one is how big the chargers are. Obviously, the faster it is significantly more expensive than the level 2s. 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:32.000 Um, the second item is the quantity, so if we have higher number of vehicles that are at a specific site at a given moment. 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:39.000 Um, that triggers, you know, not only the investment from a charger infrastructure, like, let's buy the chargers. 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:45.000 Uh, but it also triggers potential added, you know, um, transformer. 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:54.000 added electrical equipment, uh, and more prep site, right, because it is different if you're only going to add a couple, you know, charges to a few parking spaces. 01:21:54.000 --> 01:22:03.000 Versus if you have to do that for 6. And some of those quotes, we're really careful about making sure that we are reflecting the current, um. 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:16.000 you know, situation for the county. Um, unfortunately, like… well, not unfortunately, but it's just the reality, like, the quotes that they have been getting for the EV procurement and implementation are extremely high. 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:25.000 higher than other regions. Um, and there are several factors that affect that. We made a specific recommendations within the report to make sure that. 01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:38.000 Those are some of the areas of… Um, you know, significant savings, so making sure that, you know, there's added… added quotes, more specialized firms that they can do that, more specialized, uh. 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:46.000 Uh, architect and engineering firms, contractors that are familiar with this type of work, that there is a diversity of bids. 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:56.000 Um, there is a correlation between how many beds they are able to be received, and how significant the cost can go down, you know, just the normal demand, um. 01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:11.000 Uh, and… I forgot, sorry, my punchline there, but basically, if you don't have too many options, then they're going to be more expensive, right? It's just kind of the reality of the market, so… This quote right here are… 01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:17.000 Yes, anticipating that there is higher capacity equipment, which is more expensive. 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:22.000 But when you do also have more vehicles coming faster, that could trigger some of those. 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:34.000 Uh, more detail, um… side prep, and this… Uh, cost increase, as well as electrical equipment, so… Um, in this case. 01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:41.000 that example that you gave between that was mostly just the fact that it was more expensive and bigger chargers. 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:53.000 But that is increasingly… Uh, it's gonna increase on the CAP policy as there are more vehicles added faster at each site. 01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:58.000 Okay, thank you. 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:05.000 Jennifer, for now? Hmm. 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:11.000 Maybe, uh, Emily… Several questions and comments. 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:24.000 Um, first… Oh… echo, and maybe add on to what… Kat and Jennifer already said about… 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:32.000 price of, uh, the, uh… costs of EV versus… Nice vehicles. 01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:38.000 It seems, you know, the price of EVs. has been coming down rather rapidly. 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:48.000 That's not yet a mature technology. Um, so one would expect that to con… wants to continue to come down. 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:57.000 Um, as there's more volume and more experience, and… Uh, the manufacturers figure out how to wheedle every dollar out of the, uh. 01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:06.000 Out of the production. cost. So, it may be… unduly conservative to expect. 01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:14.000 EV vehicles to continue to be. more expensive, or a little bit more expensive, at least for the everyday vehicles. 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:19.000 than the ICE vehicles over a 25-year time frame. 01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:27.000 You said you were using current numbers, but. The ICE vehicles, those aren't going to change dramatically. 01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:38.000 Um, because I said, it's a mature technology. EVs, that's a dynamic technology, and I would guess the pricing should continue to go down. 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:50.000 Um, that's one concern I have. Um, the… Um, second… item here is a question. 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:59.000 On slide 14. The, uh… Find slide 14 here quickly. 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:09.000 Yeah. You say that replacing. Uh, the fossil fuel fleet was EVs is equivalent to eliminating 1.35. 01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:19.000 million gallons of gasoline being consumed. The county only consumes about 300,000 gallons of gasoline and diesel together. 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:28.000 year, schools another 50,000. This is 4 times as much. How does… How does eliminating. 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:34.000 fueling. Um, county vehicles and even school vehicles. 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:40.000 Uh, wind up saving 4 times as many. Touch, uh, gasoline. 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.000 Um, I didn't understand that at all. 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:55.000 Yeah, and thank you, board member, for that observation. This is, uh, it's basically a calculator that just gives you an equivalent, so it doesn't mean that this is the actual. 01:26:55.000 --> 01:27:05.000 gallons of gasoline that the fleet is eliminating, you know, physically during that period, is just saying the equivalent of 12,000 metric tons. 01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:12.000 It's equivalent to that many gallons of gasoline eliminated. 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:20.000 So, it's just, like, a way to bring a number into perspective. It's not the actual gallons of gasoline that the fleet. 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:25.000 is eliminating. Um, and also keep in mind that the $12,000 is also. 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:34.000 It's not just the physical reduction of the, you know, one-to-one, but it's also the efficiency overall during the transition period. 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:45.000 Um, so… but yeah, that's the reason. So, and those other examples is the same, right? Like, so if you… Uh, 12,000 metric tons of CO2. 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:58.000 Um, is equivalent to the emissions that. 1,600… 1,600 house in a year, right? So it's just a way of, like, putting a number into perspective. It's not the actual. 01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:09.000 gallons eliminated, um. So, it's… it's… And again, sorry if I… maybe I did not explain that properly, but it was just a way to bring a number into perspective, right? Because. 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:13.000 People might not necessarily, like, know, is that a lot or not? 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:18.000 Um, so… 01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:26.000 Um… well, you might be right. Is that for a single year, or is that over the whole 25 years? 01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:31.000 All the… yeah, the transition period between now all the way to 2050, yeah. 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:38.000 Okay, that… thank you, Jennifer. I was reading it as annual, okay. 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:39.000 No, no, yeah. 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:44.000 That answers that question, I think. Um… okay. 01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:51.000 Um, I've got several questions on the report itself, not so much the presentation. 01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:56.000 Um, and I won't go through all of them here, because some of them are fairly. 01:28:56.000 --> 01:29:00.000 minor, and I can send those to Angelica directly. 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:08.000 But, um, I will start with, uh, section 4.2.1. 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:14.000 Uh, which, uh, there's a comment on page 129. 01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:19.000 The analysis assumed that 80% of EV drivers will charge at home. 01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:32.000 Repairing charging behaviors, etc, etc. That… where does that number come from? Um… It doesn't seem to me that 80% of our. 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:39.000 Housing has… garages or carports, or… convenient off-street parking, but. 01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:50.000 I… I don't know that for sure. Where did you get this 80% number? 01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:57.000 Um, Josh, are you available? Sorry. 01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:16.000 Yep, sorry, just getting back on here. Apologies for that. Um, I'm just finding that exact place in the report, um… Let me… I think that is a section that was written by a partner team at Stantec, and so I don't have the exact source of that data for you off the top of my head, but let me reach out to them. I've made a note. 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:22.000 Of that comment, and I can tell you exactly where that came from. 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:25.000 Because that's fairly important in a lot of other things. 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:38.000 So… I want to make sure that that… Assumption is a realistic one. Now, you know, it doesn't have… we don't expect it to be accurate to 1%, but we at least want to be in the right ballpark. 01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:39.000 Absolutely. 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:45.000 Um, second? Second question on that same… Same paragraph. 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:53.000 It talks about, uh… Uh, it assumes… you assume 30% charging immediately after returning home. 01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:58.000 I think there is some… mentioned later that time of use rates might change that. 01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:05.000 We've had time of use rates. Uh, in the… in code for. 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:15.000 adoption for implementation next… July, since this report was started, so why weren't you taking time of use into account? 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:22.000 It would be really useful, because I'm sure there's other places where they've implemented time of use rates, which is really interesting. 01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:27.000 To find out what has happened and what we can expect to happen. 01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:35.000 When, uh, when time of use rates start making… charging right after work a lot more expensive. 01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:39.000 Great question. And, uh, I'll make sure that we get back to you with the. 01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:48.000 Exact answer on what data was considered. I do believe that that time of use data was considered in this. 01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:53.000 section of the report by that team, but I'll make sure that we get back to you with an exact answer. 01:31:53.000 --> 01:32:02.000 Appreciate it. Uh, flipping a page to 131. Section 4.2.3.1. 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:08.000 Um, for land use, the very first paragraph, there's a sentence in the middle there. 01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:13.000 It says, zoning classifications help confirm that chargers would be compatible. 01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:20.000 surrounding land uses. They bring commercial, mixed use, and institutional zones. 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:28.000 It ignores residential. Uh, does that imply that you don't think that chargers are compatible with residential? 01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:30.000 areas? 01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:37.000 No, I believe that in this section, uh, the meaning of that line is about. 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:46.000 When looking at county-owned public charging. And specifically at the… individual plots of land where public chargers could go. 01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:58.000 And so, individual residences in people's homes are not considered in that part of the analysis. 01:32:58.000 --> 01:32:59.000 Maybe true, but there's… there is public land throughout. 01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:05.000 Our residential areas, there are. street right-of-ways. There are parklands, there are. 01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:15.000 Um… Sidewalk right-of-ways, I mean, there's lots of… public land throughout residential areas. It isn't all private property. 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:16.000 And that's where people look, and that's… That is a big concern that I have. 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:21.000 Hmm. 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:28.000 Here, with this whole report at this point, is it seems to focus almost entirely on putting chargers. 01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:35.000 Audi facilities downtown Los Alamos. It isn't distributed through the community. 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:42.000 It isn't distributed evenly between… at all evenly between White Rock and the town site. 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:48.000 Um, so I'm trying to figure out why. Uh, and what we can do about it. 01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:53.000 We, uh, yep. chargers to where people really are. 01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:57.000 Where they go, maybe, where they are. 01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:04.000 Thanks for that question, and one thing I'll clarify is that in that example you gave of residential areas. 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:10.000 That have county-owned land within them. That county-owned land is what is prioritized in this part of the analysis. 01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:16.000 So, if there's county-owned. property, where a charger could go that surrounded. 01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:26.000 For a square mile by… Uh, residential housing, then that is… treated in the analysis and prioritized. 01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:31.000 You didn't come up with any significant number of chargers in those residential areas. 01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:40.000 Yeah, good observation, and um… later in the… this report, what you'll see is the… associated weights that are given to each different land use. 01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:43.000 Uh, that's that green and red table lower down. 01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:51.000 Um, and those are… designed based on interactions with the county, as well as the public engagement period, where. 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:58.000 People largely said that they like to charge at their own home, uh, in a non-shared charger, or at. 01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:12.000 destinations like restaurants and commercial places where they're traveling to, and so that would be the reason for some of those waits. 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:13.000 Uh, perhaps spin toward some of the… Um, denser areas of the county. 01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:20.000 Well, I'm sure that… People who have the ability, have the. 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:24.000 Physical location, garage or whatever to charge at home. 01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:28.000 prefer to do that, but we have a significant number of folks who don't have. 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:36.000 That luxury. Um… There are kind of two kinds of things in the… two kinds of areas in the community that that particularly applies to. 01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:40.000 And neither one of them seemed to be even mentioned in here. 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:48.000 apartment complexes that have parking lots. Uh, which would be an obvious place for shared chargers. 01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:52.000 Um, you know, it's private property, but over time, one would. 01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:57.000 Certainly like to see the property owner put in chargers. 01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:02.000 in those parking lots, and that would be very convenient for the residents. 01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:03.000 And… 01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:09.000 Uh, the other is… particularly North Community, where we have a… Large number of multifamily homes. 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:21.000 And there's no common parking error. Except oftentimes on the street. That's maybe the most difficult challenge, and that doesn't seem to be addressed here at all. 01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:37.000 Those, I think, are the bigger challenges. Uh, and I think the… Um, to me, those jump… Those jump out by the fact they're not addressed in here, and I would hope that maybe in the time we have remaining. 01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:42.000 That those could be addressed somehow. I'm sure they've come up in other communities that you have experience with. 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:51.000 Yeah, and board member, from that regards, uh. One of the approaches that we have strategized with the county is that. 01:36:51.000 --> 01:37:01.000 Obviously, the data, we cannot force the methodology to give us the results that we want at this point, because, like, there isn't a specific methodology, the weighted and the approach. 01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:11.000 So we're not going to be, um… This is your, like, modifying the parameters to get the results that we want, but we are going to be adding additional chargers. 01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:17.000 that were, you know, were missed from that perspective, from our current methodology. So we are going to be adding. 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:21.000 Uh, added recommendations, specifically in White Rock and additional sites. 01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:30.000 Um, that are coming, obviously, from the feedback that we're getting from the boards, from the public, and the different engagement, and obviously that was the big component of this. 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:39.000 project, right? Like, to make sure that it's not just numbers, right? It's the engagement, it's the needs, it's the future recommendations that we can present. 01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:42.000 Uh, so we're going to be updating those maps, it's just not going to. 01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:55.000 be coming from our methodology results, but also from the feedback, which, again, um, is not forcing what we want, but it's hearing and accomplishing the initial perspective of having the community and board engagements and. 01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:58.000 You know, again, this is really one of the. 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:22.000 Uh, unique, uh… things of this project, we have never really presented to this many boards in any project, so… Uh, having you guys, you know, reading reports, getting notes on this is fascinating, it's amazing, I love it. And it's a lot of work as well, but we're here for it. Like, that was the purpose of engaging. 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:36.000 you, the other boards, as… critical stakeholders, as well as the community engagement. Additionally, and just, you know, not to pick on a bone, but one of the reasons why we did not consider as a weighted area to have. 01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:44.000 Uh, chargers in public, um, you know, like you mentioned, some apartments might have. 01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:54.000 kind of stuff. There is no necessary, like, regulation in the current code that we could use as a safe projection to say, for example, in California. 01:38:54.000 --> 01:39:00.000 Every new community either is a, you know, a complex, a multifamily, an apartment. 01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:08.000 Once there is a specific threshold, the investor is required to have access to those EV chargers. 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:25.000 So, if they're going to put an investment in a new building, in a new parking lot, the code of the city and the specific counties is require them to provide that. Similarly, with the, you know, other coasts and other places, like, for every amount of chargers, you gotta have EVs that are accessible for. 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:36.000 Um, uh, uh. specific communities, and so, in this case, what we would want to reflect that there was not a specific code or guidance or, um. 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:40.000 You know, upcoming regulation that we could feed into the model. 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:45.000 Again, not to modify the data, but to support the weighting. 01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:55.000 Uh, but obviously to cover that, and to cover the desire of, you know, concerns in public, uh, we're going to be implementing those other locations into our final recommendations. 01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:59.000 And adjusting those projections at the low capacity as well. 01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:04.000 Um, and sorry, Greg, I think I cut you off, but please go ahead if you wanted to chime in on that. 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:15.000 Nope, you covered my comment, Annalie. Um, the… information and the feedback, honestly, um… chair, that's sort of the point of having comments and things like that, is to sort of. 01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:28.000 fine-tune our, um, model's outputs with your context. Um, our model only can go so far as a planning model, um, but the transition from a planning. 01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:37.000 Um, output to an implementation framework. That's where your all's input comes in. This is sort of the normal part of program building and the maturity of. 01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:48.000 Going from a plan to implementation, so… Uh, we need your feedback, honestly, as internal stakeholders, as Annalia said. Um, your context is what makes this, um. 01:40:48.000 --> 01:41:03.000 Is what makes this, um, an accountability thing, and… will be sustainable, um, over time, as in lasting. Um, and so, yes, absolutely, we need this, um, and we welcome all of those comments. Yep, thank you. 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:11.000 That transition will be easier if we can get the plan as close to reality for this community as possible. 01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:21.000 Recognized things have to change as we learn, but… The, uh, um… You want to get the plan as useful as we can. 01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:29.000 The, uh… I think I've just got one other major comment here, and it's kind of related to what I've. 01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:36.000 just said. Um… If you look, for instance, at your figure 4-5. 01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:43.000 8 1 32. You looked at the surveys and… the community meetings. 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:51.000 People didn't say they wanted all the chargers downtown or at the White Rock Fire Station or Visitor Center. They were scattered around there, too. 01:41:51.000 --> 01:42:01.000 Uh, it seems like that just didn't drive. Um, your distribution. Now, you're saying, okay, we'll add more chargers. 01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:06.000 Some place, and I forgot which table that's in. 01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:12.000 It looked like the currently planned number of chargers was all we might really need. 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:16.000 for the next 10 years. Well, if you add chargers. 01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:24.000 Uh, that, uh… You just take what you've already… already are proposing and add to it. 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:27.000 And it seems like maybe we're overbuilding for the time being. 01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:35.000 Um, so you might want to look at taking some of the land chargers out, or moving them to other. 01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:43.000 locations, rather than just adding two. And I… Going beyond that, you also talked about. 01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:50.000 Um… 52 more private chargers in the town site. 01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:59.000 Which seems to be more than… The projected need. 01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:10.000 So, I'm wondering how that works out. And that was only the downside. It didn't mention White Rock. I'm hoping that you're anticipating some private chargers in White Rock also. 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:16.000 Um, the, uh… and of course, it didn't mention, as I said, anything about. 01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:25.000 Departments or other complexes where. They could be located. So… I think, in my view. 01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:32.000 There's still, um… Uh… some opportunity to. 01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:38.000 Distribute the chargers… In a way that might be more beneficial to. 01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:48.000 residents, not just the county government. My other comments I'll send to Angelica. 01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:49.000 Do you have any others? What are the comments? 01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:55.000 Thank you. 01:43:55.000 --> 01:44:00.000 Hope not. Thank you! We appreciate your coming back for another presentation. 01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:06.000 Perfect. We're happy to. 01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:07.000 The, uh… 01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:16.000 Yeah, thank you so much, Chair and board members. We appreciate the feedback, and we're looking forward to incorporating that as part of the next step. So, thank you so much. 01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:27.000 Well, I guess it's our last… because the next time, the final… Final version, so… We appreciate you giving us the opportunity to provide more feedback. 01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:31.000 Absolutely. We appreciate it. 01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:37.000 Thank you, Board. 01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:46.000 Thanks, everyone. Appreciate it. 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:56.000 Okay, now we come back to… Item 7A, the EU Conservation Program Update. 01:44:56.000 --> 01:45:01.000 Abby! You don't have your cheering section with you. The remnants of them. 01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:09.000 Let Brenda know there's Play-Doh on the ground. Uh, Philo asked me to give a very brief update of our conservation program. 01:45:09.000 --> 01:45:14.000 Kind of where… what we've done in the last 6 months, and where we're going. 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:18.000 Um, it's hard to capture what we do, because we do. 01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:22.000 We do a lot, and to put it in a concise view. 01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:27.000 without missing something without overwhelming you, so this is what we came up with this time. 01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:34.000 Um, the blue is the last 6 months of 2025, from July to December. All the parentheses are approximate number of. 01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:44.000 outreach to. Um… Down below, there's a list of new things we did for 2025, slash things that are ongoing, and so I'm just going to touch on a few of these very briefly. 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:50.000 For our peak contract, in case you've forgotten, peak is our education… our contracted education partner. 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:57.000 Um, they do a lot of amazing work that I can't even begin to capture, but they also purchase through our contract Energy Bikes. 01:45:57.000 --> 01:46:19.000 And if you didn't see them at. Oh, gosh, they had him out at one of their events, Bearfest, maybe? Um… you get to pedal, bike, and it shows you, like, to try to turn on a light bulb, right? So you, like, compete with this other person, and you pedal, pedal, pedal. So they're debuting this as a field trip for school kids to come to their… the peak facility and get it to do it, and it's super cool, and they've… 01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:35.000 They've gotten through 52 kids so far, and they're trying to figure out how to target more students. One of the bridges is trying to get transportation from the school to the Peak facility. They don't quite have the infrastructure to bring the bikes to the schools yet, because it takes, like, a small trailer or a truck, and they have a little. 01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:42.000 Bolt. Bolt. They have a bolt. And it doesn't fit in there. So, it's a super cool program. If you get a chance to see it out in the public. 01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:56.000 try it. It's gonna be fun. Um… We also have been trying some new events. We also did Bearfest this year, we did a fun water game, and it was purely just fun, it wasn't education, it was bear versus linemen, because they both go up polls, so we had to shoot. 01:46:56.000 --> 01:47:06.000 water down a cup, and whoever won at the end of the race, you've got to pick the bare side of the lineman side. It was purely fun, and the linemen just eked out a win, so that was just something fun to do. 01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:17.000 We have… I sent out a very, very brief survey to our induction cooktop participants who have registered them from our office, so it was about 120 emails. 01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:22.000 When I wrote this report two weeks ago, I got 42 responses back. 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:32.000 Um, 20 have purchased an induction unit, whether that's a permanent structure, like a full range, or a portable cooktop, as a result of participating and borrowing an induction cooktop. 01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:47.000 An additional 22 have indicated. They do want to purchase an induction coat job when it's ready. Either that's when stove replacement is there, when their wiring is up to date, or when it's within their budget to purchase a unit. Again, super brief, we just wanted to see if the demonstration. 01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:54.000 program was actually impacting anything. So, we have potentially 42 induction cooktops out of 120. 01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:57.000 But, you know, responded to a simple two-question survey. 01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:10.000 Um, another new event that we did with… we love partnering with the library, so we did trading cards for Atomicon. I don't know if any of you attended Atomicon, but here's a… The super secret trading card that wasn't in all the trading card bags. 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:15.000 Um, so we were able to send out 180 packets and move on in 2 hours. They have DPU fun facts. 01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:19.000 Um, on the back side. So, again, it was just something fun and different to do. 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:27.000 Um, down at the bottom, we really pushed out Ecamm, which is the New Mexico Energy Rebate Program at the beginning of this year. 01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:30.000 Just to make sure people knew the information was there. 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:39.000 Um, we set up portable hydration stations, again, for a partnership organizations. Uh, the Arts Council actually used them a lot, that's why that count is so high. They had them at the Kite Festival. 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:49.000 So they don't have a good source of potable water at the kite festival that's not… because it's in the White Rock Overlook, and they have, like, one water fountain or something that's not close to the park. 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:55.000 Um, so we set them up with portable hydration stations so they could make sure that people were having fun and staying hydrated. And again, promoting our tap water. 01:48:55.000 --> 01:49:02.000 Um, the Clogless sewer demo, major hit this year. If you didn't get a chance to see it, you missed out. Um, kids loved clogging that sewer. 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:06.000 I'm sure Clay can attest to it. That was the most fun. 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:11.000 Yeah, everybody has fun clogging the sewer. With fake stuff. Yes. Fake stuff. 01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:16.000 Um, and even when the guys would take a break from it, it was still clear tube, so people would be like. 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:25.000 What's going on here, so we would tell them, like, this is what you're actually seeing in the sewer pipe, and it was… It was very impactful. I'm not gonna go through all those other ones, but we're doing a lot of stuff. 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:35.000 Um, there's a library of things, update, uh, with our items that we have there, with just circulations to date, with how many people are getting that chance to borrow an item. 01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:44.000 Uh, we find it really important to do the library of things with the library, because we know that not all patrons at the library have a utility account, so we also have all these items in the utility office. 01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:48.000 But we primarily keep them to utility account holders, so we can keep track of them. 01:49:48.000 --> 01:50:03.000 Um, whereas the library just expands that to whoever has a library card, that's how they track it. Um, so moving forward, if you'll go to the… pinky, itchy, whatever color you think that is, card. This is kind of what we have outlined for the next 6 months. 01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:07.000 Um, for our insert, we're really going to be pushing information on safety. 01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:18.000 Of major home components. So, what should you be concerned about for your electrical wiring? When should an upgrade be warranted versus you just want more capacity, right? 01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:27.000 I'm gonna be doing, uh, the public engagement for the Water and Energy Conservation Plan that's due by the end of 2026, so it's ready by 2027. 01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:41.000 Um, Green Los Alamos, which we talked about. Um, some new topics that we're going to focus on throughout all of these engagement opportunities. We're gonna… really talk about dual-fuel technology. Those are appliances that take both gas and electricity. 01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:45.000 Um, the benefit of that is they can switch that. 01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:50.000 fuel source on and off as they want, so if they don't want to turn it on during time of use race, they can flip it to gas. 01:50:50.000 --> 01:51:00.000 vice versa. It can give them the efficiency of electricity, like a heat pump, if they're like, I really like heat pump, but I'm worried about, like, these lows we had last week was pretty low. 01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:12.000 Um, then they can flip it to that gas so they know that they can get through those cold periods. Um, really pushing those, those are available on water heaters and space heaters, and it's a lot of fuel sources out there that we just haven't really pushed. 01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:22.000 Um, electric distribution, um, we've been talking with some of those guys, they get a lot of calls for when there's an outage, somebody else's power will blink, and. 01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:26.000 They get called out, and they're like, but your power's on. They're like, but it blinked. 01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:33.000 So, really pushing out information, kind of like the sewer demonstration of what does a blink mean, what does a blip mean, and when does your power actually out? 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:41.000 Um, induction to the next generation, we're really going to push the induct portable units into schools and after-school programs and get those kids into. 01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:50.000 that kind of next phase of cool cooking. Um, there's a lot of little chef programs, so it's a really good opportunity for a safer unit for smaller hands. 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:53.000 Um, and then obviously time of use, we are really going to be. 01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:59.000 harping on that hard these next couple of months, um, so we make sure that customers feel ready. 01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:02.000 Or time of use, and have tools in their tools. 01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:07.000 book it to adjust to it as they see and need to for their lifestyles. 01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:10.000 I'm gonna stop talking, just for the sake of time. 01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:17.000 But that's what we're doing. Um, oh, one more thing. The public engagement for the Water and Energy Conservation Plan. 01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:22.000 is obviously driven by the board, but it's also public, so out of that. 01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:27.000 those engagement sessions, we'll probably find a lot more of ideas that have surfaced from the public. 01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:35.000 Um, that will serve… will become a priority, potentially, in that… in that plan, because it is publicly driven. 01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:46.000 Thank you. Questions, comments? Time of use education and planning, what kind of activities or reach outreach? Yeah, so we had a really good workshop last Monday at peak. 01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:52.000 That was recorded, if any of you weren't able to comment. It was just general home management strategies, home energy management strategies. 01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:58.000 Um, and out of that, we had a lot of good conversations. So, uh, one thing that people really want to see is. 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:05.000 Based on my usage now. what is it going to look like? So, even teaching people how to access the AMI portal to see. 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:18.000 What does that hour period look like from 5 to 11? And times it by the rate, right? Like… Um, coming up with, like, an example build template for them to plug and play that information. It's… it's… it might not be… 01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:22.000 equal apples to apples, but it'll at least give them an idea of. 01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:27.000 Are you even using in this period? Um, talking about the different appliances that. 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:31.000 are existing in your home that might have a delay function. If you've never used the delay function. 01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:41.000 Like, what does this even mean? Because some people don't… Don't have it. And then, for those appliances that don't have it, coming up with behavior-shifting strategies that might be applicable to them. 01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:47.000 Um, trying to meet them where they are. without saying, you need to upgrade to X in order for this to work for you. 01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:56.000 Um, and then obviously for EV chargers, we want to make sure we're not creating a double peak. You know, it's 11 o'clock, time to plug everything in. That's not going to help the problem. 01:53:56.000 --> 01:54:05.000 So those are some topics of education we're playing around with how that's going to work. We'll be doing it at farmers markets and as many outreach events as we can. 01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:12.000 get that information out, too. 01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:19.000 Any questions? 01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:23.000 You keep doing such a good job, and you present it so well. 01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:31.000 Gotta do it. Thank you! You're welcome. Gordon, thank you. 01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:41.000 It takes us to 7D. Um, is the order 1? 01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:48.000 would work for fiscal year 2026. Kathy Deanna's not here. I guess it falls on Philo. 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:57.000 Sure does, Chair. Uh, so… One thing I just wanted to highlight of just a few things. I know Kathy put a. 01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:10.000 whether, um… You know, I… I report I talked about the… issues with PFAS and… Is she gonna mention a little bit later in the manager's report that we've. 01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:16.000 done some sampling for that. Um, for that litigation. 01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:27.000 Uh, so… I'll just point you to that, and then, uh… H5, uh, we had… Uh, our mission, vision, values, and ethics. 01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:33.000 So, yeah. Did a little revision since the board retreat and included a. 01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:42.000 Um, ethics, uh, statement… And so you'll see that in there. We populated that with our staff, and. 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:50.000 Part of our, uh… Employee orientation that we hold every… 6 months, that one's some. 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:58.000 February, um… So then, with that, we also updated all the, uh. 01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:08.000 goals and objectives that, uh, the board worked on with us, uh, during the strategic planning session. 01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:14.000 And… he's on page 12, the… Safety Employee of the Quarter. 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:22.000 You know, we did a, uh, tours… Water and wastewater facilities in, uh, this quarter. 01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:33.000 recognized for… Promoting safety while… tours with the members of the public. 01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:41.000 A day off, uh, with pay. Um… There's quite a few updates on. 01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:50.000 Uh, projects, uh, with our… Play broadcast substation… 01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:59.000 And uh… so just… Sketching on, or… Sadie this was related to that outage. 01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:12.000 And… And provide a little more detail on the hydroelectric plant production. I think that's… It was a little light on data, so we… Putting our data this quarter. 01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:23.000 That will continue. And… I had a… This section of page 25. 01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:28.000 Talked about the 4 Jens work schedule. That was a county-wide. 01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:36.000 program and, um, it was… offered a pilot program during daylight savings time. 01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:41.000 So, our senior management team will be reviewing that if we're. 01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:46.000 Need that. Summer. 01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:50.000 I have a conclusion on that. Are we gathering data. 01:57:50.000 --> 01:58:00.000 No. All outs. Well, our crews generally go home at 4, or… customer service desk closes at 5. 01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:09.000 Sometimes we get calls between 4 and 5. That causes an overtime call-out, so… We're analyzing some of that data. 01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:16.000 I include that in a manager's report once we… But all pulled together. 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:28.000 Just wanted to mention that. And… Teams provide a lot of project updates. There's too many to go through, but I want to just say that. 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:36.000 The team did a great job just. The volume of projects is large, and… A capital spend. 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:40.000 Just taking advantage of all the loan grants that we have. 01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:46.000 It's definitely, uh, helping us, uh, repair and replace infrastructure. 01:58:46.000 --> 01:59:05.000 And… We have a lot of, uh… Finance tables, and the one I really wanted to point to was… Uh, it's 63, Richard was… We have a lot of consumption data. 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:11.000 I think in the past, the board asked, how much distributed generations received by DPU? 01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:15.000 You'll see over the quarter is a million kilowatt hours. 01:59:15.000 --> 01:59:20.000 And there's a footnote on the bottom I want to point you to that. 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:31.000 We sold back to the customers one point. Almost 1.2 kilowatt hours, so… The goal of these solar programs is. 01:59:31.000 --> 01:59:36.000 To match their annual usage, so we're pretty close. Uh, some are… They generate a little more. 01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:45.000 Or gee, there's… Like, one month in the chart when I analyzed it were. 01:59:45.000 --> 01:59:59.000 Purchasing more back. But on average, it… It's pretty close, uh, for the size of the system, so it's something I think we want to monitor as time goes on, but… And we have the data here. 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:07.000 Zoom. I think I'll stand for questions at this point. 02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:16.000 Yeah, thank you, Philo. usual and very comprehensive report. 02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:20.000 Yes, there's a lot going on. Always is. 02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:33.000 Um… questions or comments from the board? 02:00:33.000 --> 02:00:42.000 We have a couple minor ones. Well, on the… Reminded again under Projects and Construction, is the Los Alamos switch station. 02:00:42.000 --> 02:00:49.000 theater installations. I've heard much about that lately. Where are we on that? 02:00:49.000 --> 02:00:59.000 Um, last… we're working through. installation of a vault where the conduits all come together. 02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:11.000 And trying to identify a way to. Build… Pull all the electric… Cables through the conduits that are asbestos, um. 02:01:11.000 --> 02:01:15.000 We're actually meeting with a vendor to see if they can do a mining. 02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:23.000 The conduits. You don't have a real schedule to, uh… See when we can bring it online. 02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:28.000 I need to work through the asbestos, uh… conduit issue, safely get. 02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:34.000 Fire pulled. We were still dealing with the asbestos, right? 02:01:34.000 --> 02:01:40.000 All right. And… Almost trivial question. 02:01:40.000 --> 02:01:46.000 It mentions, uh, Restview Housing Project. Which one is that? 02:01:46.000 --> 02:01:48.000 I have a tough time keeping track of all the projects that are going on. 02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:55.000 building projects. That's a good thing, but they move names around quite a bit. I don't know. 02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:58.000 Exactly where that one is. I'd have to get back with you. 02:01:58.000 --> 02:02:03.000 Does anybody know where that one is? So, instead of calling the board, Lisa. 02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:10.000 Hey there, you look pretty neck. On page, uh, 14. Alright. 02:02:10.000 --> 02:02:15.000 Oh, that's down off the San I, below Sykumu Village. 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:22.000 Yes, there's a… there's… there's some lots below Cycomu Village that are along Santa El Defonte. 02:02:22.000 --> 02:02:38.000 Above, um, small subdivisions. Very small subdivision. I know it's from there. Alright, and I think I know where you're talking about, and I didn't realize there was a housing project going there, so… 02:02:38.000 --> 02:02:43.000 Or something every day, thank you. 02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:49.000 No, I had anything else? Eric, Jen? 02:02:49.000 --> 02:03:04.000 Thank you, thank you. 02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:09.000 Hurting with Chair's report. Just two things. 02:03:09.000 --> 02:03:18.000 One is, uh… The New Mexico Climate Action Plan, the state climate action plan. 02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:33.000 Uh, is due out this month. I saw a preview of it, uh… Yeeks ago, and… Something that I thought was very interesting. 02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:39.000 By far the largest. emitter state. 02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:49.000 Was, uh, the oil and gas industry. And a new part of that was fugitive emissions from the wall fields. 02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:53.000 So, they didn't put numbers on that particular part of it. 02:03:53.000 --> 02:03:57.000 Uh, yet, but we'll presumably see those in the plan. 02:03:57.000 --> 02:04:06.000 Um… the, uh… That could be our largest thing, too, because, you know, we're responsible for that, and. 02:04:06.000 --> 02:04:11.000 That wasn't in spite of efforts to try to get it included, that was not included in our. 02:04:11.000 --> 02:04:16.000 Um, inventory in the… in our Climate Action Plan. 02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:20.000 Fugitive admissions associated with the gas that we use. 02:04:20.000 --> 02:04:24.000 So it'll be interesting to see what the state has for numbers there. 02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:32.000 Uh, the second item… is that we are… Hopefully going to get a draft from. 02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:40.000 We of the ECA, or their version of the ECA, sometime in the near future. 02:04:40.000 --> 02:04:47.000 I don't know how new that future is, but… The, uh… I'm sure that when it does arrive. 02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:57.000 It will not take staff nearly as long as it has taken DOE to go through the… And they will do it with care and in detail. 02:04:57.000 --> 02:05:01.000 But I think the, uh… The board perspective. 02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:10.000 should be represented there also. Uh, so… and I don't want everybody to feel obligated to go through that very. 02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:20.000 Long, boring document. Uh, so what I would suggest is that we appoint a subcommittee to go through that long-form document. 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:26.000 Uh, when it finally becomes available, not that in other those two. 02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:32.000 And I'm willing to do that. And since Charlie's not here to defend himself, I would. 02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:39.000 point Charlie to that subject, too. Actually, we did check with him ahead of time to make sure he was okay with that, and going to be. 02:05:39.000 --> 02:05:45.000 Around. So if, uh, the rest of the board is okay with it, I will. 02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:49.000 When Charlie and I to a meeting committee to. 02:05:49.000 --> 02:06:00.000 Look at the… I'm not on the committee, can I at least see it, look through it, or… I don't know that we know that yet. Because I definitely want to look through it. 02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:08.000 We all do, and DOE hasn't given any of us anything yet, so… Uh, we will do our best. 02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:13.000 Okay. Um… That's all I… that's all I know right now. 02:06:13.000 --> 02:06:18.000 This has all been a really peculiar process, as you know. 02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:29.000 And still is. Um… That's all I had. Are there any board… Member reports. 02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:35.000 There's none, we'll move on to the manager. Chair, members of the board. 02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:44.000 Um, briefly, uh, T&D are… transmission and distribution is the name of their company. 02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:50.000 Cooperatively, designing. Our, uh, replacement transformer at White Rock. 02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:57.000 No, they presented us yesterday the 60% design. For the installation of project. 02:06:57.000 --> 02:07:03.000 Um… through the geotech report, we have to have. 02:07:03.000 --> 02:07:13.000 Uh, foundation that requires 4-foot diameter caissons built. slab to carry this large transformer. 02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:18.000 So, you have the transformer ready, as well as the containment. 02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:28.000 pad, um… I need to ship once… once we can… Unify a contractor gets some quotes to… That foundation. 02:07:28.000 --> 02:07:34.000 Through the… layout and all this, uh, large… it's a larger depth. 02:07:34.000 --> 02:07:51.000 excavation to do this foundation. We're able to reuse the old foundation for… Some of the bus support work attached to that, so… That's maybe a small savings, uh… Foundations arch. 02:07:51.000 --> 02:08:11.000 Um… on the temporary tie with Lanol, we're still… Struggling with landlord to get on their calendars for… All the crane… Thanks for the transformer, as well as… Through their environmental clearance process. 02:08:11.000 --> 02:08:20.000 Excavation of the basalt is… We did, so we're able to set the polls on our side of that temporary tie line. 02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:28.000 And, uh, finally, our… Mutual aid agreement with PNM through the attorney's review, and now it's under there. 02:08:28.000 --> 02:08:34.000 Risk management, so… Making some progress, albeit a little slow. 02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:43.000 Uh, but I think it'll be worthwhile in the end to have a mutual aid agreement. 02:08:43.000 --> 02:08:54.000 Um, Elkridge, um… Our rights gotten better coordination with the… structure inspection division mobile home section. 02:08:54.000 --> 02:09:02.000 There's 38 homes with green tags, and. Bear with him yesterday, and they're actually scheduling 20 more. 02:09:02.000 --> 02:09:07.000 the end of this week, this first time of an enhanced. 02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:12.000 Pressure tests with green tags, so we'll see how that goes. 02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:19.000 It goes well. There's… the goal, I think, is try to get all these. 02:09:19.000 --> 02:09:28.000 The version's wrapped up. February, so I will tell. We're having difficulty with people being away. 02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:34.000 The holidays, people. Movies home. 02:09:34.000 --> 02:09:41.000 Our crew is… Installing the meter and assemblies, and… Be this. 02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:51.000 Is the homes on the new distribution system. update, I just put an update on a lot of reviews. 02:09:51.000 --> 02:09:57.000 a new… need an offer, and she accepted for a customer care specialist. She'll start. 02:09:57.000 --> 02:10:10.000 Totally. Holiday week. Two weeks… Checking references on power system operator apprentice, and electric distribution supermarket. 02:10:10.000 --> 02:10:20.000 Ready for offers. Deputy Utility Manager for Electric Distribution and Engineering Project. We're the same. 02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:27.000 Handled by an outside employment recruiter. He's getting close to getting those advertised. 02:10:27.000 --> 02:10:37.000 Advertised. Our senior… Yeah, management analyst, electrician, water operator, and engineering aider book. 02:10:37.000 --> 02:10:45.000 County's HR department. We're at different stages of advertisement. 02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:52.000 Um… mentioned NSA already with the procurement office. They promised the draft final ECA. 02:10:52.000 --> 02:10:58.000 Uh, with the terms and conditions on. 19th of December of this year. 02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:04.000 And uh… it's kind of a… I hope it's a real Christmas present for us. 02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:11.000 something to review over the holidays. And it's back to them. 02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:18.000 by middle of January. Our hem is Mountain Fire Protection. 02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:25.000 Pipeline, um… Phase 1, substantially complete, and also our Phase 4, which is. 02:11:25.000 --> 02:11:30.000 tank, the… I piping scenarios. 02:11:30.000 --> 02:11:35.000 Not all hooked up. Phase 2… oh. 02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:44.000 Given this warm and dry weather, we're still… able to escalate and put pipe in the ground and… She… need some pain. 02:11:44.000 --> 02:11:49.000 leaving catch up, uh… Wrenches this week. 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:58.000 It went snow and weather changes. Well, winter suspension, but… So far, we're continuing in. 02:11:58.000 --> 02:12:02.000 The weather, so… And then, uh, Pajarito. 02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:15.000 LLC wired us over $1,000 today to test. payment, um… Balance of the million dollars will be sent over this Friday by the deadline. 02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:27.000 It's encouraging. partner. And then, uh… the SWACE, uh, that's the expanded mission for the laboratory, the environmental document. 02:12:27.000 --> 02:12:41.000 still going through a lot of tribal consultations. Uh, so I hope I… February to know what the final recommendation is, but should the expanded. 02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:47.000 Mission B Advanced, uh… We're gonna be… need to look more seriously at. 02:12:47.000 --> 02:12:52.000 in our San Juan Chama water rights to, uh… serve our community. 02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:57.000 And, uh… Right now, yeah. 02:12:57.000 --> 02:13:03.000 This year, it's 469 acre feet out of the 1,200 acre feet. 02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:12.000 The drought was… saved, sold that to Rio Chama Seiki Association. 02:13:12.000 --> 02:13:18.000 Waterford irrigation. It's been a good partnership. 02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:34.000 Honored to beneficial use. So, after you get a little more clarity on… Twice, uh, activate our… Landing document, or your… an update. 02:13:34.000 --> 02:13:40.000 And that's for our water plant. 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:46.000 2 amps, they're meeting next week, so I don't have any project updates that we'll give. 02:13:46.000 --> 02:13:53.000 EA4 power line replacement, uh, we did not receive the grant from the Mexico Energy and Minerals. 02:13:53.000 --> 02:14:00.000 Natural Resource Department. However, they have another grant program, they pointed us to that. 02:14:00.000 --> 02:14:04.000 Supposed to open up in January, so… Try to reapply for those funds. 02:14:04.000 --> 02:14:11.000 other program. Chromium plume, I know I sent out a couple letters to the board on. 02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:17.000 Status of, uh… has extended… San Alfonso Pueblo. 02:14:17.000 --> 02:14:24.000 Um, James Allard. I, uh… to the working group meeting. 02:14:24.000 --> 02:14:34.000 Friday that's gonna… adaptive site management options. 02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:38.000 tracking that, and then… NMED is scheduled to present it. 02:14:38.000 --> 02:14:45.000 arch… session. information to the board correctly? 02:14:45.000 --> 02:14:57.000 And… If I, as I mentioned that a little bit already in the quarterly report, but we have sampled 10 out of the 12 water. 02:14:57.000 --> 02:15:03.000 Production wells, or, you know, 3 well is not operable, and the PM4 is. 02:15:03.000 --> 02:15:10.000 still down with the… I saw the motor control centers on several wells at this. 02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:14.000 This is one of the projects. Well, it's just not completed yet. 02:15:14.000 --> 02:15:22.000 Gruesome to go. So… We're not able to obtain a sample. However, we had. 02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:31.000 Prior lab results that we're collecting from, uh… Environment department that we share with the… Denise. 02:15:31.000 --> 02:15:35.000 And then Ben and I met with, uh, Farmington to discuss. 02:15:35.000 --> 02:15:40.000 If they were interested in some solar from Foxtail Flats, and. 02:15:40.000 --> 02:15:48.000 Express interest in… Yeah, and they're working on their IRP update here. 02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:59.000 Once they finalize that planning document. Sounds like they were… Receptive, uh, to me, some of that solar. 02:15:59.000 --> 02:16:06.000 You're looking… they had a… or a gap, I think, in the spring of 27. 02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:12.000 And, uh, so we'll know more when the… Their efforts. 02:16:12.000 --> 02:16:16.000 We had a 18-inch water production line in 2 Mile Canyon. 02:16:16.000 --> 02:16:22.000 Those are… have, uh, sprung a leak within the concrete encasement that crosses the. 02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:31.000 Canyon Bottom. I had a meeting with, uh… Lionel to develop a work plan, how to access and repair that water line. 02:16:31.000 --> 02:16:43.000 So once we get some better definition. Back to the board eventually with… Budget revision and, uh… cost to repair. 02:16:43.000 --> 02:16:48.000 In the interim, though, we do have an older 12-inch line that's still in service, and. 02:16:48.000 --> 02:16:54.000 But it's… Get our repair in place before. 02:16:54.000 --> 02:17:03.000 peak water demand, so… And, uh, another one, we had a sanitary survey by the. 02:17:03.000 --> 02:17:09.000 Mexico Environment Department on our drinking water system. And they identified several issues. 02:17:09.000 --> 02:17:14.000 Our staff are, uh… addressing and responding to. 02:17:14.000 --> 02:17:21.000 Uh, and then they'll need to… engage our on-call contractor to do some tank cleaning and remove. 02:17:21.000 --> 02:17:25.000 Sediment and debris from… This water storage tanks. 02:17:25.000 --> 02:17:41.000 So… hopefully we'll bring that task order back, and… budget revision the board in January, so I wanted to… You know, about these two… Unplanned us, but these are based on leaks and inspections. 02:17:41.000 --> 02:17:49.000 That at Stanford. Thank you. Questions? 02:17:49.000 --> 02:18:01.000 The, um, temporary line… Well, you mentioned it's something basalt drilling or something, and… When is the projected finish on that, possibly? 02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:06.000 Honestly. Dennis and I have been… Reaching out to them. 02:18:06.000 --> 02:18:13.000 don't have a date yet. Right now, it's hinging on getting Lionel to… They're half of them. 02:18:13.000 --> 02:18:21.000 Highline. And I'm not calling it temporary. I think we… Well, did I say 10 participant? Well. 02:18:21.000 --> 02:18:28.000 Once they build it, it's not going to be temporary. We want to keep it in place. We have all the equipment, the auto transformers. Yes. 02:18:28.000 --> 02:18:35.000 And… you're saying the landl has to finish their part. Have they even started? 02:18:35.000 --> 02:18:44.000 To our knowledge, they have the archaeological issue that… In terms of… boots on the ground in the field. No boots on the ground. You don't steady construction. 02:18:44.000 --> 02:18:54.000 Construction stake. Yeah, what do they call the work-free safety zone? 02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:59.000 Okay. Thank you for some. 02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:05.000 Just curious. And so, how big of a deal is finding a contractor to build. 02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:12.000 Those caissons, yeah. I'm sorry. We identified one contractor, and I think, Dennis, you've. 02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:27.000 I found another… we're… we're… Uh, it's just getting, um… Not so specialized that… No, it's not. It's… it's just, uh… It's basically like a drill rig type of cook. 02:19:27.000 --> 02:19:38.000 Big auger and drill, or put down. and minerals. 02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:47.000 With respect to… White Rock, we still have a single-point failure. 02:19:47.000 --> 02:19:53.000 Um, vulnerability there. Which of the three approaches. 02:19:53.000 --> 02:19:59.000 Transformer in place, or the tie line in place, or the mutual aid agreement in place. 02:19:59.000 --> 02:20:06.000 Which one do you think's going to be there first to, uh… give us some redundancy. 02:20:06.000 --> 02:20:14.000 You're asking me to speculate, I think, between the tie line and the transformer. 02:20:14.000 --> 02:20:25.000 replacement will be close. We had hoped that every… Very, but Highline would have been in places already. 02:20:25.000 --> 02:20:31.000 Original hope, but it'll… process to go through. 02:20:31.000 --> 02:20:37.000 Okay, um… Firmington interest in possibly. 02:20:37.000 --> 02:20:42.000 Some foxtail flats power. Is that the solar power only, or is that some of the store power, too? 02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:58.000 every power. What was the express with solar only? 02:20:58.000 --> 02:21:05.000 More questions? Oh, wait, I'm very curious about Foxtail Flask Fund. 02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:11.000 Remember we had information on it, you were gonna give it to us, so… 02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:16.000 Okay, thank you, Philo. Thank you. The manager's report. 02:21:16.000 --> 02:21:27.000 Hey, um, can you steal some of Councillor Haberman's thunder, she's online, but, um… At the December 2nd meeting, we have a similar presentation. 02:21:27.000 --> 02:21:32.000 The leaked version plan update. And, um, we also talked about. 02:21:32.000 --> 02:21:39.000 some updates about a small local business. What the county can do, and maybe what. 02:21:39.000 --> 02:21:44.000 LACDC is doing, and just get some clarity on some actions moving forward, so we decide there's going to be a. 02:21:44.000 --> 02:21:50.000 quarterly update to Council on some of those, but some of the highlights for that is we are gonna… we are implementing. 02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:58.000 Um, a online… a business directory as part of our website, so that any business could go on and self-register and put on all their. 02:21:58.000 --> 02:22:03.000 What they offer, and tie it to NAICS codes, so that. 02:22:03.000 --> 02:22:08.000 People can… we can publish a QR code, shop local. 02:22:08.000 --> 02:22:13.000 Scan it, and then you can look for, where can I get ice cream, where can I get. 02:22:13.000 --> 02:22:22.000 pajamas, where can I… you know, where there's a restaurant that's open right now, um, so you can actually search by what they enter. 02:22:22.000 --> 02:22:33.000 And, um, it… the nice thing is, is that the business… keep it up to date with their hour, if they have a change of hours, or a change of service, they… They can self-manage keeping… we've tried in the past to kind of keep. 02:22:33.000 --> 02:22:39.000 Promote all the different businesses and maps and things, but it's very challenging because. 02:22:39.000 --> 02:22:44.000 Businesses open and close and change that, so… We're kind of excited about this new tool. 02:22:44.000 --> 02:22:54.000 Um, we're also going to be working. with the LACDC, they're going to pull together a focus group for us to evaluate. We've released a new development handbook on our. 02:22:54.000 --> 02:23:06.000 County website, community development website. Um, so we're gonna get some feedback on… how that's working, and then work on the search priorities on that, so that it's friendly, so people. 02:23:06.000 --> 02:23:19.000 Our whole website's designed where. Um, we want to prioritize pages based on search words, and then have people just go to our homepage and put what they're looking for in the search bar and have the right things come up. 02:23:19.000 --> 02:23:22.000 And so it's kind of been a work in progress to make it smarter. 02:23:22.000 --> 02:23:26.000 Um, and I think… Yeah, sure, it gets on that. 02:23:26.000 --> 02:23:32.000 on the General Feed website, but this would be specific to just. 02:23:32.000 --> 02:23:42.000 development and, um, you know. Do you want to know how to start a business or build… full term matters, things like that, do it to the right information. 02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:51.000 Um… and… Then, um, there is… Council had agreed. 02:23:51.000 --> 02:23:57.000 to have City Work, which is a third-party kind of look at our processes and write a report. 02:23:57.000 --> 02:24:03.000 We have not received back. It was… we didn't pay for it, it wasn't contracted by us, but we haven't received back any of those recommendations. 02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:13.000 simple reading plans. Um, for the meeting next week, we are looking forward to the ECA extension. 02:24:13.000 --> 02:24:18.000 Um, I'm asking Council to approve my recommendation for Fire Chief. 02:24:18.000 --> 02:24:25.000 Done that search. Um, I have appointed a new HR manager, burned at Martinez. 02:24:25.000 --> 02:24:34.000 Account Manager. after National Search, we know everybody out, and uh… She accepted the position, so she'll be down doing a search for her deputy. 02:24:34.000 --> 02:24:43.000 Um, and then tomorrow… because our first day of interviews for public interest. 02:24:43.000 --> 02:24:49.000 Um… the other thing on the 16th is, uh, the design. 02:24:49.000 --> 02:24:56.000 approval to move forward with design documents for emergency Operations Center in White Rock, which is an addition. 02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:59.000 to the fire station 3, it's just about 5,000 square feet. 02:24:59.000 --> 02:25:08.000 But just in the past emergencies and fires, we just don't… have access, and we can't use our technology the way we need, um, with the laboratories. 02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:16.000 Yes, even though I was kind of conservative. you know, since we're in practice, we don't really have access to stages at what the county needs. 02:25:16.000 --> 02:25:22.000 We don't have the ability to… have the connectivity. 02:25:22.000 --> 02:25:29.000 So, um, so we're kind of excited about moving that forward. We do have some support from, um. 02:25:29.000 --> 02:25:36.000 Bobby Gonzalez. To get us some additional state funds from that construction. 02:25:36.000 --> 02:25:48.000 And some of the… we do have a grant pending funding… I think, uh, let's see, utility manager, Shelton, Dr. Mcgromium, there was also a. 02:25:48.000 --> 02:25:53.000 Um… public meeting last night to kind of talk about the. 02:25:53.000 --> 02:26:05.000 Close out of the tritium release efforts, um… It was definitely, um… to talk to, but I found it very informative. 02:26:05.000 --> 02:26:08.000 My perspective in my role, just to kind of. 02:26:08.000 --> 02:26:12.000 Um, how you have two different perspectives of what you're trying to present. 02:26:12.000 --> 02:26:23.000 And what the public is trying to communicate. There's definitely the forum was… A really good example of that, and something. 02:26:23.000 --> 02:26:33.000 just the format and how you approach things, certain words you… sometimes that could make… That was interesting. 02:26:33.000 --> 02:26:41.000 We anticipate… oh, so… the Department of Energy Emergency Environmental Management, sorry, is presenting to Council on the 16th. 02:26:41.000 --> 02:26:53.000 I expect them to focus on the. I'm hoping to introduce, uh, Lita, or Local Economic Development Act, uh, participation agreement with a local business. 02:26:53.000 --> 02:27:09.000 That'll be a public hearing in January. We were hoping to do the introduction ordinance for a new golf course lease for restaurant, but um… They needed some more time, our… Selected vendor, so, um, we anticipate that coming in from the council in January. 02:27:09.000 --> 02:27:17.000 And… I can't read. Um… And then, for broadband, we are bringing to Council an amendment. 02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:23.000 to their contract, because what we've learned is that we have… there's anticipated shortage of. 02:27:23.000 --> 02:27:28.000 electronics and fiber and everything due to the federal government releasing. 02:27:28.000 --> 02:27:33.000 Constructing a federally funded. big projects that will take up a lot of the. 02:27:33.000 --> 02:27:38.000 create a shortage. Where is the characterized as similar to the times where. 02:27:38.000 --> 02:27:41.000 If you all remember, we couldn't go to the aquatic center, because. 02:27:41.000 --> 02:27:47.000 All the renovations were done, but we didn't have a chip we needed for the boiler to run the boilers properly. 02:27:47.000 --> 02:27:54.000 Let's just… we just couldn't get this, Joe. Um, so we're looking to do an amendment to allow us to purchase. 02:27:54.000 --> 02:28:00.000 Um, up to, like, 3 to $35 million worth of, um… 02:28:00.000 --> 02:28:10.000 Materials and supplies. and get that purchase order in ahead of that curve, and um… avoid increased costs or delays in the project. 02:28:10.000 --> 02:28:16.000 And… The other thing is, I did sign today. 02:28:16.000 --> 02:28:24.000 an MOU with a company called Mozart. It's a waste of energy initiative. 02:28:24.000 --> 02:28:31.000 And then potentially take our waste, including some of our plastics and recyclables. They won't take metals and they don't take less. 02:28:31.000 --> 02:28:42.000 Um, but once everything else they will work, you know, and um… Just keep doing it, and… 02:28:42.000 --> 02:28:55.000 Okay, well… Yeah. Um… So anyway, it's kind of, you know, non-commitment, long-term, but I just think it is… Interesting. 02:28:55.000 --> 02:28:59.000 We certainly would like to not have to truck all of our ways all the way to. 02:28:59.000 --> 02:29:09.000 Los Lunas, or our recyclables. 12 and things like that, so I think… Certainly. 02:29:09.000 --> 02:29:21.000 I don't claim to understand the technology other than it creates good stuff and bad stuff, so, um, I'll let the expert… I'll let the experts, you know, including hydrogen, which could be used. 02:29:21.000 --> 02:29:25.000 trucks that crook it there, which is kind of cool, too. 02:29:25.000 --> 02:29:37.000 Um… but I think that's what's going on. Is there… if there's any questions about anything else, I'm happy to… Good question about that last thing, but I'm sorry. Um, so they don't want glass or metal. 02:29:37.000 --> 02:29:45.000 But currently, our metals mixed with our plastics and cardboards and whatnot. Is that going to change how we collect our recycles? 02:29:45.000 --> 02:30:00.000 Maybe, maybe not. I mean, our glass, obviously, we already do separately, so the glass, uh, metals tend… It'll be pretty easy, because you could use magnets to get them out, so I'm not sure if they would be able to separate them out. We would just have to work through how that all props. 02:30:00.000 --> 02:30:11.000 TB, okay. Um, yeah. So, recycling. The Daily Post had a really good article on. 02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:15.000 recycling, and it reminded me of Switzerland. My daughter lives in. 02:30:15.000 --> 02:30:19.000 Switzerland, and recycle in Switzerland, and you go to. 02:30:19.000 --> 02:30:27.000 solely, and put your green glass and your brown glass and your clear glass, and your light metals, and your heavy metals, and. 02:30:27.000 --> 02:30:32.000 Well, these kind of batteries, and your PET, and you probably have. 02:30:32.000 --> 02:30:37.000 20, maybe? Different places where you put stuff. 02:30:37.000 --> 02:30:41.000 And to me, that's the only way recycling really works. 02:30:41.000 --> 02:30:46.000 for the consumer to… to separate it all out, and the Daily Post article. 02:30:46.000 --> 02:30:56.000 You read that, it was really… it was really well done. It basically said the same thing, but I guess my other question, um… Do you have any speculation as to when. 02:30:56.000 --> 02:31:00.000 I caught one on the rooms might open back up after the first of the year. 02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:10.000 Uh, so the… the current contract ends 31st. Um, the new contract is anticipated, I believe, to be in April 1st. 02:31:10.000 --> 02:31:14.000 I think April 1st is the opening of the golf course. 02:31:14.000 --> 02:31:28.000 It's Knowles. Right. But there's work… okay, so there… So, in between the December 31st and the April 1st, it would be anticipated deep cleaning, um, and I'm sure the new vendor will want to get in there, do some setup, do some other things, but… 02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:37.000 And it'll all be outlined in the agreement when it comes… Okay. 02:31:37.000 --> 02:31:47.000 Um, question on Mosaic. I won't ask you how you turn goods… Sorry, sorry, not Mosaic, Moza. I'm sorry. 02:31:47.000 --> 02:31:51.000 Well, yes, you had to turn… how you turn… bad stuff into good stuff. 02:31:51.000 --> 02:31:59.000 But, uh… How do they pay for the material? Do we pay them? 02:31:59.000 --> 02:32:10.000 How does… how does that basic financial arrangement work? Um, it'll be changing as the market changes, but right now, their proposal is that you get it to us. 02:32:10.000 --> 02:32:17.000 We'll take it, no charge. So instead of paying tipping fees, as we do now, in addition to hauling, we'd just be paying hauling. 02:32:17.000 --> 02:32:30.000 Shorter distance, too, I think. And if you're all interested, we've scheduled… we're trying to schedule this presentation to the Council at their January work session. 02:32:30.000 --> 02:32:35.000 Second… third, second meeting, just. 02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:39.000 students. Take your hand. 02:32:39.000 --> 02:32:45.000 Now we'll see what's left for the Council liaison to report on. 02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:55.000 But we're really glad to see you here, Susie, if you're still here. 02:32:55.000 --> 02:33:03.000 Switzer. Susan Avenue. 02:33:03.000 --> 02:33:07.000 No, she was here earlier, but she's no longer. 02:33:07.000 --> 02:33:12.000 Okay. Glad I covered them. Yeah. 02:33:12.000 --> 02:33:21.000 Yeah, alright. Um… To move on to the Environmental Sustainability Board report. 02:33:21.000 --> 02:33:25.000 Part of this is online. Yeah. 02:33:25.000 --> 02:33:29.000 Yes, I'm here, can you all hear me well? 02:33:29.000 --> 02:33:31.000 We can. Yes, very well, thank you. 02:33:31.000 --> 02:33:42.000 Thank you, Chair Gibson, members of the board. and staff, and uh… I guess our counselor has left, but um… November's Environmental Sustainability Board meeting. 02:33:42.000 --> 02:33:51.000 included a presentation by Abby Hayward on the Green Los Alamos certification program, which we also thought was, um. 02:33:51.000 --> 02:34:01.000 a very good idea and was well received. Uh, the program appears to be well thought out, flexible, cost-effective, and encouraging to businesses who want to improve. 02:34:01.000 --> 02:34:10.000 their sustainability performance. Um, we had a discussion of our 2026 work plan, which will be finalized at next week's meeting. 02:34:10.000 --> 02:34:16.000 We had a long discussion and a vote on term limit policies for our board. 02:34:16.000 --> 02:34:21.000 The ESP is one of the boards that has struggled to maintain full membership. 02:34:21.000 --> 02:34:28.000 And we voted to recommend that our members be allowed to serve three 2-year terms. 02:34:28.000 --> 02:34:38.000 With reapplication for each term while not requiring verbal interviews for currently serving members in order to reduce staff liaison and chair workload. 02:34:38.000 --> 02:34:41.000 All of this, of course, is at Council's discretion. 02:34:41.000 --> 02:34:46.000 We also recommended that there be a board and commission open house for people to come. 02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:56.000 and talk with current board members and find out what it's like, and perhaps make a small video about board life for those who can't attend the open house. 02:34:56.000 --> 02:35:06.000 Um, on that note, I'd like to mention that the ESB currently has two vacancies, so if you or someone you know would like to apply, please do so. 02:35:06.000 --> 02:35:12.000 Sustainability Manager Angelica Gurle gave a presentation on talks that she attended. 02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:20.000 at the recent New Mexico Recycling and Solid Waste Conference, including information on the new statewide PFAS ban. 02:35:20.000 --> 02:35:30.000 Food waste prevention and composting initiatives, and the state's Breaking Bad Habits campaign to reduce litter. 02:35:30.000 --> 02:35:37.000 She also discussed possible extended producer responsibility legislation for lithium-ion batteries. 02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:52.000 As all of you probably know, lithium-ion batteries are all around us in many devices. Our laptops, our tablets, our phones, and these pose a risk of severe fire if not managed properly. 02:35:52.000 --> 02:36:07.000 Our ecostation has actually had several fires this year, um, due to improperly disposed batteries. They've lost equipment, and it's actually a very big problem for our environmental services. So, um. 02:36:07.000 --> 02:36:25.000 I just want to remind you to please dispose of your lithium ion batteries properly by taking them to household hazardous waste days at the EcoStation, which occur on Fridays. 02:36:25.000 --> 02:36:35.000 Are there any questions, Eric? I have a comment about lithium ion, yeah. So, you know, in an EV, for example, there's really not a problem, not as much of a problem, because. 02:36:35.000 --> 02:36:43.000 Chargers are actually in the vehicle. stuff outside that's not a charger. We call it a charger, but that's it. Supply equipment. 02:36:43.000 --> 02:36:53.000 When it comes to e-bikes. That becomes an interesting issue. Um, my dog, my oldest daughter has an e-bike, and I bought her a spare battery for it. 02:36:53.000 --> 02:37:03.000 And the spare battery cost $800. Which, you know, it's worth every penny of it, because it is made with the charger, with the. 02:37:03.000 --> 02:37:09.000 Like, with everything. The problem is, a lot of people have a… have an. 02:37:09.000 --> 02:37:13.000 Like, and they look and say, well, the battery costs $800. 02:37:13.000 --> 02:37:18.000 I can maybe find something on Amazon. Or $80. 02:37:18.000 --> 02:37:26.000 Not knowing that they have to be engineered together, and so… so, you know, when you talk about the hazards of fire at the Ecocenter. 02:37:26.000 --> 02:37:32.000 And stuff like that. That's a very serious concern, and in this building here, they've got a sign about the elevator. 02:37:32.000 --> 02:37:41.000 No e-bikes on the elevator, so I don't know how we get that word out, but… That's, uh, that's a pretty serious issue. 02:37:41.000 --> 02:37:53.000 Yes, absolutely, and so that's something we may look at as far as education goes for the community, because certainly we've lost equipment and put people's safety at risk. 02:37:53.000 --> 02:37:59.000 at the EcoStation, and yeah, any of the people who have to handle or deal with, um. 02:37:59.000 --> 02:38:09.000 these kinds of things need to know what the hazards are, because they're different from standard batteries that people are used to throwing into the trash. 02:38:09.000 --> 02:38:16.000 Thank you, thank you very much. Any other questions? 02:38:16.000 --> 02:38:18.000 Thank you very much, Sue. We appreciate it. 02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:22.000 You're welcome. Thank you. 02:38:22.000 --> 02:38:27.000 hate to report and all the work you do. 02:38:27.000 --> 02:38:44.000 That moves us on to status reports. 9… Do you have any… Questions, comments, etc. On the status reports? 02:38:44.000 --> 02:38:48.000 Oh, thank Dennis for doing the math on this ESAI. 02:38:48.000 --> 02:38:57.000 To, uh… we'll need a couple of nines in there. 02:38:57.000 --> 02:39:05.000 If there are none. We'll move right on to the tickler. 02:39:05.000 --> 02:39:13.000 And… We are planning to have our… scheduling meeting a little early this month. 02:39:13.000 --> 02:39:22.000 It's Monday morning. So, if you have… New items or comments? 02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:29.000 Okay, good. Now… into us before Monday, again. 02:39:29.000 --> 02:39:35.000 Are there questions, comments, concerns about the Thinkware file? 02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:45.000 And or Facebook can take off. 02:39:45.000 --> 02:39:52.000 Okay, so the perfect term, whittling that down. 02:39:52.000 --> 02:39:56.000 Okay… 02:39:56.000 --> 02:40:01.000 And then… 02:40:01.000 --> 02:40:05.000 Alright, so you're down to asking for public comment. 02:40:05.000 --> 02:40:14.000 Is there any public comment? Anyone online would like to make public comment, please use their ace hand function at this time. 02:40:14.000 --> 02:40:21.000 I'm sure Gibson. I mean, we put all of our adoring public to sleep tonight. 02:40:21.000 --> 02:40:28.000 They're out doing something much more fun than watching us, even though we have all the fun in front. 02:40:28.000 --> 02:40:38.000 Appreciate that. Anyway, uh, this is our last meeting of this calendar year, as you think it will be. We hope it will be. 02:40:38.000 --> 02:40:44.000 Thank you. Yeah, and I wish everyone a very happy holiday period and a safe holiday period. 02:40:44.000 --> 02:40:49.000 Use yours wherever they are. Wherever they're traveling, or whatever they're doing. 02:40:49.000 --> 02:40:54.000 So, great holiday, everyone, and we are adjourned. Thank you.